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    Nationalism is in crisis while confident unionism can attract the support of more Catholics, First Minister Peter Robinson has claimed.

    The DUP leader told a party gathering that the fastest-growing section of Northern Ireland society is neither ‘unionist’ or ‘nationalist’.

    Instead many people are defining themselves as ‘Northern Irish’ — putting the nationalist goal of a united Ireland further away than ever, he argued.
    Read more: Peter Robinson: DUP can entice more Catholics - Northern Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

    He claimed the republican goal of a United Ireland was as far away as ever.

    “Their grand plan by their grand strategist (Gerry) Adams has failed.

    “To avoid the hard truths of home he wanders the world trying to convince the ignorant and the gullible that it’ll happen any day now.

    “The dirty work of playing the sectarian card he leaves to his henchmen, something he was always wont to do.”
    ‘Nationalism is in crisis’ Peter Robinson tells a DUP gathering - Headlines - Belfast Newsletter

    I doubt many of us believe that the DUP is going to be inundated by CNR members or voters, however it is plain to see that the vast majority on both 'sides' are actually happy with the status quo. Increasingly the trend is towards a Northern Irish identity. At some stage we and our politicians are going to have to accept this and move from tribal politics and concentrate on doing what is best for n.i. Personally i favor a form of devo-max with a number of north-south bodies overseeing areas of mutual interest, or in short screwing what we can out of both London and Dublin...
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    SDLP and DUP's position on abortion closer to many Derry Catholics than Mary-Lou od Dublin SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post
    Read more: Peter Robinson: DUP can entice more Catholics - Northern Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk



    ‘Nationalism is in crisis’ Peter Robinson tells a DUP gathering - Headlines - Belfast Newsletter

    I doubt many of us believe that the DUP is going to be inundated by CNR members or voters, however it is plain to see that the vast majority on both 'sides' are actually happy with the status quo. Increasingly the trend is towards a Northern Irish identity. At some stage we and our politicians are going to have to accept this and move from tribal politics and concentrate on doing what is best for n.i. Personally i favor a form of devo-max with a number of north-south bodies overseeing areas of mutual interest, or in short screwing what we can out of both London and Dublin...
    To move away from tribalism, both groups will have to lose somethng, ie, the OO and marching bands will have to go. Same for the CNR community, the gaa, music etc will have to go. Can you really see that happening and even if it did, what's to fill the gaping void that's left?

    Moving towards an Northern Irish identity is just spin from the DUP. Do they not realise that that is bad news for them for it's moving from a British identity to an Irish identity.

    Dublin and London are losing interest in NI in general as it is not worth the damage that it could do to both countries. Our 1 billion in trade between both nations is far more important than NI will ever be again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purpledon View Post
    To move away from tribalism, both groups will have to lose somethng, ie, the OO and marching bands will have to go. Same for the CNR community, the gaa, music etc will have to go. Can you really see that happening and even if it did, what's to fill the gaping void that's left?

    Moving towards an Northern Irish identity is just spin from the DUP. Do they not realise that that is bad news for them for it's moving from a British identity to an Irish identity.

    Dublin and London are losing interest in NI in general as it is not worth the damage that it could do to both countries. Our 1 billion in trade between both nations is far more important than NI will ever be again.
    neither the OO or the GAA (both all ireland and international organisations) have to be given up, they just have to stop dabbling in politics! as for the move away from britishness the reality is PUL have always identified with themselves first and foremost, so it's more a movement from ulsterness to northern irishness...
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    I do realise Purpledon that you are from the south of the border and hence do not have a nuanced understanding of many of these issues, but the DUP has always been more of an Ulster Nationalist party than a British Nationalist party. This is not new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post
    so it's more a movement from ulsterness to northern irishness...
    No difference.
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    Load of delusional poo, again from Robinson.

    Of course some folk may have adopted a 'Northern Irish' identity, but that does not exclude them from being nationalist.

    Let the deranged unionists lie to themselves to make reality seem like a dream, when it is in fact their nightmare, as deep down they know the truth.

    Do you think that in an actual real referendum that the vast, vast majority of Catholics and and moderate nationalists wouldn't vote for a UI? You think they'd pass up the opportunity and legacy of being the generation that finally reunited Ireland and kicked off the shackles of British rule? It's funny how unionist thinking negates actual reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxterSniffer View Post
    No difference.
    thrown a dog a bone...
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    Can you imagine Gerry Adams taking to the SF ard fheis podium and claiming that southern unionists/orange men are not unionists anymore because they have adopted some Irish identity because they live there? It's ludicrous.

    Let unionists cling to their comfort/safety blankets. They see the re-greening of the 6 counties, the removal of the butcher's apron and the upcoming census, of course it is bound to touch a nerve with them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Global Justice View Post
    Can you imagine Gerry Adams taking to the SF ard fheis podium and claiming that southern unionists/orange men are not unionists anymore because they have adopted some Irish identity because they live there? It's ludicrous.

    Let unionists cling to their comfort/safety blankets. They see the re-greening of the 6 counties, the removal of the butcher's apron and the upcoming census, of course it is bound to touch a nerve with them...
    methinks something has touched a nerve with some one alright...
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