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    Default Right to die case to come before the High Court

    Woman to testify in 'right-to-die' case - The Irish Times - Fri, Nov 30, 2012

    Special arrangements have been made for a woman terminally ill with multiple sclerosis to give evidence to the High Court next week why she wants unprecedented orders permitting her be helped lawfully take her own life if and when she chooses.
    A mother of two adult children living in Co Wicklow with Mr Curran, Ms Fleming (59), who was diagnosed in 1986 with MS and is in the final stages of the condition, says she is past the point where she could take her own life unaided but wants to establish the right to end her life with assistance.
    Suicide is not illegal here but it is an offence under the Criminal Law Suicide Act 1993 to be an accomplice to such an act and a jail sentence of up to 14 years may be imposed for that offence. Ms Fleming is challenging the constitutionality of the 1993 Act alleging it interferes with her rights to autonomy and dignity.
    This woman appears to be of sound mind and her desire to end her life is entirely her own. What societal benefit is there in preventing her being facilitated in doing so? I cannot comprehend any justification for her being forced against her will to live for another few months in agonising pain. Would a compassionate society not accede to her wishes and facilitate her?
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    I wish her well and hope the judgement goes her way.
    However, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that it will.

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    I wish her well. MS is one of the most horrifying things a person can go through.

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    There is no right to die. Moreover, as decided by the European Court of Human Rights, no such right can be derived from the right to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaMcN View Post
    There is no right to die. Moreover, as decided by the European Court of Human Rights, no such right can be derived from the right to life.
    Assuming that a doctor who is freely willing can be found do you think she should be assisted in carrying out her wish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaMcN View Post
    There is no right to die. Moreover, as decided by the European Court of Human Rights, no such right can be derived from the right to life.
    Do you mean such Right exists or equivalently what criteria do propose as the basis for deciding what is or is not a Right? You maybe unaware we debated this extensively some months ago see
    http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-...-death-26.html
    Curiously the illegality of assisting someone commit suicide must be one of few laws preventing a legal action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    Assuming that a doctor who is freely willing can be found do you think she should be assisted in carrying out her wish?
    Patients should never be subjected to burdensome or futile medical treatment that is designed to prolong their life unnaturally. Moreover, everything should be done to minimise the pain and suffering of patients. Do I believe that patients should be allowed to choose the hour and manner of their death and be helped to end their life? No, that is not something a doctor can or should do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaMcN View Post
    Patients should never be subjected to burdensome or futile medical treatment that is designed to prolong their life unnaturally. Moreover, everything should be done to minimise the pain and suffering of patients. Do I believe that patients should be allowed to choose the hour and manner of their death and be helped to end their life? No, that is not something a doctor can or should do.
    Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4horsemen View Post
    Do you mean such Right exists or equivalently what criteria do propose as the basis for deciding what is or is not a Right? You maybe unaware we debated this extensively some months ago see
    http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-...-death-26.html
    Curiously the illegality of assisting someone commit suicide must be one of few laws preventing a legal action.
    Because causing or facilitating the death of another person is unlawful.

    The European Court of Human Rights have ruled that to try to derive a right to die from the right to life is a perverse distortion of the right to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    Why not?
    The Hippocratic Oath.

    The risk of abuse is an other issue.

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