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    The deputy for Kerry South plans to introduce a Private Members Bill calling for the reduction of Dáil numbers to 101 TDs (including the Ceann Comhairle). The country would be divided into 100 single-seat constituencies, with STV retained, benefits cited include concentration on national legislation, avoidance of duplicate queries and re-election only guaranteed through performance. Of course, the major hole in the proposal appears to be that, even with STV, single-seat constituencies would lead to two, perhaps three parties at most, monopolising representation, and while that may guarantee stable government, diversity of opinion would be much reduced.
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    Get rid of the Seanad. The likes of Ivana Bacik and Ronan Mullen makes a good reason for doing so.

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    PSF will support this in the full knowledge that it will be defeated. A bit like Bertie supporting Albert for the presidential nomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloatingVoterTralee View Post
    The deputy for Kerry South plans to introduce a Private Members Bill calling for the reduction of Dáil numbers to 101 TDs (including the Ceann Comhairle). The country would be divided into 100 single-seat constituencies, with STV retained, benefits cited include concentration on national legislation, avoidance of duplicate queries and re-election only guaranteed through performance. Of course, the major hole in the proposal appears to be that, even with STV, single-seat constituencies would lead to two, perhaps three parties at most, monopolising representation, and while that may guarantee stable government, diversity of opinion would be much reduced.
    An idea both good and bad in equal measure.

    Good -

    a) Retains the transferable vote in the form of ATV
    b) as pointed out above - should cut down on duplication of constituency work.

    Bad -

    a) Won't necessarily reduce parish pumpism - The deputy will still have to face a selection convention to get reselected, so will have to keep a close eye on local affairs.
    b) as pointed out - may well squeeze out smaller parties.
    c) fails to be imaginative and consider non-geographic constituencies

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    Quote Originally Posted by electoralshock View Post
    Get rid of the Seanad. The likes of Ivana Bacik and Ronan Mullen makes a good reason for doing so.
    Bacik and Mullen are an excellent advertisement for getting rid of the university panels. A democratically elected Seanad would be a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casualbets View Post
    An idea both good and bad in equal measure.

    Good -

    a) Retains the transferable vote in the form of ATV
    b) as pointed out above - should cut down on duplication of constituency work.

    Bad -

    a) Won't necessarily reduce parish pumpism - The deputy will still have to face a selection convention to get reselected, so will have to keep a close eye on local affairs.
    b) as pointed out - may well squeeze out smaller parties.
    c) fails to be imaginative and consider non-geographic constituencies
    F**k me, but has a back bencher decided to go off and do a bit of legislation work, and put it forward for our consumprion and critique?

    That will never catch on.

    A proposal to reduce the parish pumpism hinges on two things:
    1: Decrease the number of seats available, and de facto increase the size of constituencies/electorate required to elect someone, which makes the work load of maintaining the parish pump unsustainable.
    Currently, one can get elected with about 4000 votes, plus transfers.
    An effective parish opumper could cultivate this.

    If you need 15,000 first preferences, that is much, much harder.

    2: the second way to have a national legislative Dail, and effective local representation, is to increase the power of local popiticians, so local issues are dealt with locally.

    We shoudl abolish town councils, empower coulcillors, and have Mayors for large population centres with real powers.

    Mayors and councils should have important revenue raising powers, and important spending powers. If they foul it up, their locality suffers, and they will hopefully be unelected.

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    Basically the Alternative Vote that the UK wanted to bring in. It would result in big gains for the 3 main parties and would plunder the rest to insignificance.
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    I would love to see this Bill passed, but unfortunately the great majority of his colleagues will make sure it does not go through.

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    It should also include a means where the electorate of any constituency can reverse(or record ) a vote of their TD on any vote in the Dáil.
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    Private Member's Bills are almost never passed, unless they're very short and specific and introduced by an expert in the subject concerned. Opposition parties introduce PMBs as symbolic gestures (Clare Daly on abortion, etc).

    Government backbenchers never used to bother exercising their right to introduce PMBs at all, but now it seems they do. Probably they think it looks good on their next constituency newsletter. My guess is there was a lottery among FG TDs as to who would get the next PMB slot, and then they can introduce whatever nonsense they see fir, safe in the knowledge it hasn't a snowball's of becoming law. Tommy Broughan has one about switching to Central European Time, which at least is quite a small change.

    Brendan Griffin's one pretty much contradicts the government's own programme: the Electoral (Amendment) (Dáil Constituencies) Bill 2012 is in train, and the Constitutional Convention is tasked with reviewing the Dáil electoral system. So why is he bothering? What a waste of time. If the number of TDs fell to 101, I hope Griffin would be one of the 55 to go.

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