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Thread: Subcontractors removing fittings, furniture from Limerick School due to non-payments

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    Default Subcontractors removing fittings, furniture from Limerick School due to non-payments

    This case seems to be ongoing. The contractors have been blocked from leaving the school grounds by parents.
    PARENTS AT KILFINANE Primary School in Co Limerick are blocking the entrance to the school after subcontractors came to remove many of its fittings today claiming they were owed money from the main building contractor.
    Crowds have gathered outside the school this afternoon after a number of subcontractors began removing shelving and bespoke furniture fittings from the school which has around 140 boy and girl pupils.
    Principal Siobhan O’Flynn also said that the power has been disabled in the school and emergency lighting is currently being used.
    Parents blockade Limerick school after builders remove fittings


    It seems the contractor has not paid their subcontractors even tho the Dept of Education says they have already paid the contractor.
    A number of subcontractors are owned around 20k each.

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    Is that legal - once it is installed it is no longer theirs?
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    How long before O'Dea turns up looking for a cheap photo op.
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    That's a terrible thing but after all the stories in recent years of subcontractors driven out of business by non-paying contractors I can't help feeling some sympathy for the subbies - I know personally of several even in my own area who were driven to the wall by unpaid bills from contractors who are still living high on the hog themselves.

    I'd suspect that, as so often in this disaster, two sets of victims are left screaming at one another while in the background some clever b@stard sits grinning like a Cheshire cat.

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    Good for the subcontractors. You can't even price a job these days because the chances are the main contractor will run off with all the money for the subbies leaving them in a financial black hole.

    It's not a subbies job to provide free fixtures, fittings and months of free labour to schools or any other building project, public or private.

    It's about time laws were put in place to prevent the financial raping of subbies and to threat the perpetrators of such rape like the criminals they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyisBack View Post
    Is that legal - once it is installed it is no longer theirs?
    Yes , it is theirs , the invoice will clearly state that title doesn't pass until goods are paid for

    While extreme it highlights the sheer lack of concern our political classes have for SMEs ...as a small company or sole trader you know you are powerless if someone decides not to pay you ..... Whats been done about it .... The same as upward only rents and crippling rates ..... Sweet FA

    Our politicians are f@cking clueless and feckless about what it like to be a sme or sole trader in this country

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyisBack View Post
    Is that legal - once it is installed it is no longer theirs?
    Most delivery notes / invoices contain a clause stating that the goods supplied remain the property of the supplier until paid for.

    The basic Law of Contract states that benefit must accrue to both parties for a contract to be fulfilled, which obviously does not apply here.

    I'm on the subbies side here.

    Given the number of school, and other, projects that have been abandoned because the principal contractor has gone to the wall, the government will have to look at making provision for serious levels of Bonds to be put in place to ensure satisfactory completion and that sub-contractors are paid for their goods and services.

    Surely, though, in this instance, the standard clause is in place in respect of retention of a percentage of the contract price (usually c.5%) and that this money could be used to pay the subbies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flavirostris View Post
    How long before O'Dea turns up looking for a cheap photo op.
    Kilfinane is too far from Limerick City Constituency for him to be arsed!

    His sister might turn up though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Máistir na Cruinne View Post
    Nobody is saying that its a subbies job to provide free fittings etc. Let them go and take goods from the main contractor if they want to throw their weight about. What a shower of bullies they are to barge into a school and start to removing firedoors and other fittings.

    They should be broken at the wheel. Financial raping of subbies, me hole!
    Sorry mate you don't seem to have a clue about what has happened to thousands of subbies throughout this recession.

    Maybe the school or state department should have employed a reputable main contractor or architects and engineers that could have overseen the job properly instead of letting the sub-contractors get robbed of ten of thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of Euro putting the livelihoods of them and their staff in jeopardy.

    They aren't bullies, they are recovering stolen property and will only realise a fraction of what it is worth. The labour cost of fitting the equipment is gone and in reality probably the jobs of those that the subbies employed.

    You seem to condone theft and blame the victim for trying to salvage at least some of the value of his stolen goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyisBack View Post
    Is that legal - once it is installed it is no longer theirs?
    Looks like a subcontractors theft to me.

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