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    Default 113k per year Fergus Finlay wants child benefit cut to €100 per month.

    Fergus Finlay the very man who wanted a YES vote a few weeks ago wants to see child benefit slashed to just €100 per month.

    Mr Finlay who is in charge of the Childrens charity Barnardos who receives a salary of €113,315 wants the cut because he believe hard pressed families are spending child benefit on all sorts of other things such as heating, mortgages and ESB bills instead of spending it on the child.

    This is the second time in during the past 2 months that Mr Finlay has called for this and it would seem that Mr Finlay dosent understand that if a parent spends child benefit on heating, food or keeping a roof over the families head, the child benefits.

    Of course it would be very hard for him to understand this when the muppet is on over 110k per year and hasnt a clue about poverty.

    One would wonder why Barnardos wanted a Yes vote in the childrens referendum if they are now calling for the same children to have their living standards destroyed.

    Do Barnardos have some sort of government contract to re-open their homes?


    Parents against Child Benefit Cuts have made this response to Barnardos and Mr Finlay.

    I have emailed this onto Barnardos in relation to Fergus Finlay head of Barnardos ludicrous comments about cutting child benefit. Does he want more poverty cases to deal with. For such an educated man I'm truly shocked. It is a piece I put up on the page two days ago.

    NO CUTS TO CHILD BENEFIT

    Whether its spent on food or utilites or clothing or to pay the mortgage to keep a roof over the famil...
    ies heads or for childcare. This money is still in effect spent on the children. The days of people being able to save it or use it for treats are long gone. People in this situation are few and far be...
    tween. That's why I do not agree with means testing or taxing or two tiering child benefit.

    If you enter child benefit into the income tax equation you could effectively push people into the higher tax bracket. This means a family of four will pay a bigger amount of tax on their income than a family of say one or two as the cb is put into taxable earnings. Its a very inequitable way of doing it. What if the families are on similar incomes but have more children so have a higher rate of cb. It just isn't going to add up fairly.

    What about means testing or two tier systems? I hear you ask. If you means test child benefit the government will not save as much as they need to from the higher earners therfor the income limit will keep moving till those on middle and low incomes are hit.

    The two tier system is a 100 euro flat rate cut with top ups for people on social welfare and lower incomes. What is as low income???? sounds like means testing under another guises doesn't it? How long will people on social welfare wait for the top up?? We have all seen how it takes up to 6mths for FIS to come through. Twelve to eighteen months for an appeal on Diablility payments at the moment. Scary isn't it when you think of maybe loosing your job and need a top up so you can feed your children or pay utilities or pay the mortgage.

    People on social welfare and low incomes are really feeling the pinch and cant take anymore cuts. Even a 10euro is the difference of an extra bail of brickets or a packet of nappies for them.

    People on middle incomes are feeling the pinch. They are the new low income due to hikes in taxes and prsi the introduction of the Universal Social Charge. Childcare costs, doctors fees, negative equity.

    What about high income earners? We don't know what goes on in people houses. Remember the barristers wife whos husband was on a huge wage and gave her nothing. Child benefit was all she had to care for her and her childs needs. Why shouldn't she be recognised for staying at home to care for her child the same way carers do. If you really want to hit the high earner bring in a higher rate of income tax on their paye income. This will balance out the child benefit payment they receive.

    I hope people don't think that the government will look after the most vunerable when dealing with this subject. Lets remember they are looking to get rid of the lone parents once your child is 7 to push you out to work. How will you pay for your childcare then? If there are any jobs that is. They have cut the silver brigade and lone parents already by reducing the fuel allowance period by four weeks. Look at the cuts in rent allowance. Look at the cuts to homehelp hours. They have already cut into the most vunerable.

    Child benefit is the ONLY payment we get in recognition of bringing up the future tax payers of this country. Children are not recognised in the Irish tax system. We do not get free health care, free education, subsidised heatlh care.

    There are other ways to save this money that the government wont entertain as it will effect THEM. The higher earners with their huge expenses bill. They have a vested interest in looking after the rich and hitting the ordinary families again and again. We need to stick together and stop thinking of what might work better for us right now. Circumstances change.

    LEAVE CHILD BENEFIT ALONE

    HAZEL


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    A TOP kids’ charity chief has come out in favour of a child benefit cut — if the money saved was spent on services.

    Barnardos boss Fergus Finlay told yesterday how he agreed with a “more modest” allowance as a row raged over revelations that the monthly rate could be slashed to €100 per child.
    But he insisted any shake-up had to be phased in over a period of up to four years and low-income families had to be protected.
    He said: “I wouldn’t be in favour of a proposal that was primarily aimed at saving money — or to simply slash child benefit to save money.” Stating that “unsustainable” benefit hikes were introduced for election reasons during the boom years, he claimed: “It’s not always going where it’s needed most.
    “There should be a universal payment — it could be a bit more modest than the payment that is there.”
    But he stressed: “The bulk of the savings generated from that (cut) should be targeted towards lower-income families and families that live on marginal incomes.”


    Read more: | The Sun |Irish Home|Irish News
    Barnardos says cuts to child benefit should be brought in on a phased basis | Radio Kerry | 96-98FM | Your Voice in The Kingdom

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    Fergus Finlay wants the children to be bought Power Rangers and X-boxes every month but the flippant parents keep spending it on heating, mortgages and ESB bills.

    Another over-paid buffoon who has no understanding of the real world but doesn't have the sense to stop pontificating to the rest of us.

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    Finlay.
    Wasn't he a Labour spinmeister and Mary Robinson supporter?

    Another who never created any economic wealth for this nation.
    Absorbed plenty of taxpayers money for no return too.
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    More scope for public money handouts for his charity perhaps when the kids are cold, homeless and have no electricity supply for their child benefit bought PlayStations.

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    Finlay is just another hypocritical liberal elite.

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    Apart from his salary (which is obscene, but he's not alone in that) why is there an automatic assumption that the head of the country's biggest children's charity is proposing policies that would be harmful to children?

    Take a deep breath - or even a shallow one - and that's clearly nonsensical. If the head of Barnardo's is proposing this, I'd start from the assumption it would be a good policy for vulnerable children. Starting from the assumption it's another evil scam makes no sense.

    Although, one lesson here is that it does matter what the people at top are being paid. Here, Finlay opens his mouth and because of his salary he instantly has zero credibility with many people. This is the corrosive harm that these ridiculous salaries create.

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    Barnardos were sending begging letters last week, next one that comes in the door, I'm going to copy out the above email and send it back.

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    Ah, phase 2 swings into action right on schedule,

    First you make sure that the vested interests have the power to take peoples children off them if they decide they are not being cared for properly,

    Then you push poor families further into poverty making it even more difficult for them to care for their kids properly,

    and finally, you send in over zealous social workers to snatch away all the little rodents and you throw them into the "care" system,

    lots of lovely fresh children to be abused and mistreated, and most importantly, loads of big fat govt cheques for all the vested interests,

    I salute you Mr Finlay, you are truly scum of the highest order!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.R. Haldeman View Post
    Apart from his salary (which is obscene, but he's not alone in that) why is there an automatic assumption that the head of the country's biggest children's charity is proposing policies that would be harmful to children?

    Take a deep breath - or even a shallow one - and that's clearly nonsensical. If the head of Barnardo's is proposing this, I'd start from the assumption it would be a good policy for vulnerable children. Starting from the assumption it's another evil scam makes no sense.

    Although, one lesson here is that it does matter what the people at top are being paid. Here, Finlay opens his mouth and because of his salary he instantly has zero credibility with many people. This is the corrosive harm that these ridiculous salaries create.
    You're post only makes sense if you believe that Bernardo's gives a flying fck about kid's,

    Therefore you're post makes no sense!

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    What next, someone from a homeless charity advocating mass evictions? Labour sleazeball.
    Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!

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