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    The level of political clamour regarding the tragic death of the Indian lady/abortion legislation/Never again protests demonstrate - as it more evidence was required - that our political system and our politicians are a farce.

    The country has been on a downward slide economically for 5 years and our politicians see nothing but constitutional and contractual barriers to resolve the real issue - we're paying too much for crap public service from the top down - and the elected AND permanent governments have got into the groove of "wait and see" - wait for the next election and see if somehow a bank deal or global recovery makes some of the problem go away. There's no political will to resolve the impasse, just lots of Dail time spent talking about it.

    Along comes a tragedy that suits politicians like Bacik's agenda and all of a sudden we have protests, actions, legislation, interest....even a bit of an international incident. If you just visited Ireland for the first time last week you'd be forgiven for thinking we were economically sound and that our biggest problem was ladies dying in child birth because they couldn't have an abortion (and also forgiven for assuming, it has to be said, that India's maternity care was the best in the world).

    All of a sudden politicians from all parties are demanding action, are inspiring protest, are demanding change - because they see political capital to be had NOT because it's the most important issue facing the country.

    One question I have is - is this just a useful smokescreen to get attention away from the dismal prospect of property tax, tax hikes, etc., in the budget or does it genuinely demonstrate that our politicians just have NO interest in solving our economic issues, and if not why not?
    The more things change....

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    No-one will probably ever be able to say whether Savita could or would have been saved had legislation been in place...

    That's not really the point though. The point is the subsequent light shone on yet another failure by the Irish 'establishment'... a failure to legislate on an issue for 20 years...

    It's symptomatic of what's wrong here... the 'establishment' do whatever the hell they like and regularly fail to do their jobs as they hoover up huge salaries and pensions etc.. The reason there's no legislation on this is the same reason there have been no real consequences for any of the w*nker bankers, regulators or the eFFing traitor vermin who oversaw it all... It's the 'establishment' serving themselves and failing us...

    Are some people using this for their own agenda?

    Of course they are. But then many of those accusing others of using it for their agendas regularly use other issues for their own agendas... There's hypocrisy on both sides imo...

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    is this just a useful smokescreen to get attention away from the dismal prospect of property tax, tax hikes, etc.,
    I doubt anyone would regard this as a 'useful smokescreen'...

    I don't think anyone would have envisaged or welcomed having to deal with this issue in the circumstances which have triggered it...

    Then again, I'm sure since it is an issue now, that there will be some who will see it as an opportunity to distract us from issues like the budget and the €3 billion we'll be paying in March and many other issues...

    What we the electorate need to do is to keep our eyes on all the issues and not allow the political or media whores to manipulate us like they do constantly...
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    Politicians will capitalise on any tragedy if it will get them a few votes .Its sad that this happened to this Lady , but people are screaming , kneejerking with no real solid information or report details of what happened this poor woman.
    As for turning round the economy forget about it .The caliber of Politicans we have in the Dail are not up to or able .They are linear thinkers , they have no problem solving dynamic thinkers , it will be wait and see , talk , committes , more talk , bigger committees , more taxes , more taxes , more taxes .They will not change the status quo, votes have to be bought and if that mean confiscating your , labour , private property they will hammer it to death.The Old guard in the dail are rampant Statists that believe the State is god and should be worshipped by all , peoples problems come a bad second to these politico's .
    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    The level of political clamour regarding the tragic death of the Indian lady/abortion legislation/Never again protests demonstrate - as it more evidence was required - that our political system and our politicians are a farce.

    The country has been on a downward slide economically for 5 years and our politicians see nothing but constitutional and contractual barriers to resolve the real issue - we're paying too much for crap public service from the top down - and the elected AND permanent governments have got into the groove of "wait and see" - wait for the next election and see if somehow a bank deal or global recovery makes some of the problem go away. There's no political will to resolve the impasse, just lots of Dail time spent talking about it.

    Along comes a tragedy that suits politicians like Bacik's agenda and all of a sudden we have protests, actions, legislation, interest....even a bit of an international incident. If you just visited Ireland for the first time last week you'd be forgiven for thinking we were economically sound and that our biggest problem was ladies dying in child birth because they couldn't have an abortion (and also forgiven for assuming, it has to be said, that India's maternity care was the best in the world).

    All of a sudden politicians from all parties are demanding action, are inspiring protest, are demanding change - because they see political capital to be had NOT because it's the most important issue facing the country.

    One question I have is - is this just a useful smokescreen to get attention away from the dismal prospect of property tax, tax hikes, etc., in the budget or does it genuinely demonstrate that our politicians just have NO interest in solving our economic issues, and if not why not?

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    No, an abortion debate is the last thing any government wants.
    itís the continuing series of small tragedies, that send a man to the, madhouse

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    i think it's just the way things are worked in this island, wait and see. Everyone who is on 'leadership salary' can only make a decision to save their own assses. Your right on the 5 years and nothing happening in the way of collective creative thinking. They are not able to do a thing bar waffle on and on.

    It is pathetic the way it has taken an innocent death to make then all come out shouting, and yes it will take the initial heat off till the 6th Dec. Different day same shiiit. Should we expect anything else.

    And Mehole is now the most popular leader in the country. how sad, it must be Fiane Fails turn to be in again. Amazing the way the Irish mindless work. He is the leader of the group that started the rot that ended in us all paying the cost and he was there all the way through it and he is the most popular.

    We are a useless nation when it comes to leadership and it will just go on and on till a totally new group take over.

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    Im not sure where you are going with this......

    the economic situation is very complex and cannot be legislated away.........it simply can't

    we could protest all we want - but at the end of the day - unless we are prepared to balance our budget tomorrow - then we have to keep paying back the borrowings already made if we want to keep borrowing more to maintain the standard of living we have.

    the Galway case on the other hand - and the calls for legislation of based on the legal interpretations of the 1984 amendment and subsequent amendments - are totally in our power to change and have been since the early 1990s........

    as regards protests over the Galway incident - my reading would be that they are not politically inspired - they have been very much organic from the bottom up - the politicans have been racing to catch up with the general mood in the country.........

    I think it is highly questionable - if not distasteful - to equate the economic situation with this incident and the peoples reaction to it.............the galway incident struck at a very human and understandable level...........the people get it

    I don't like the economic situation one little bit - but as an open economy and the owner of a small export business - a lot of it is out of our hands - particularly when it comes to growth as our main export markets are all in a similarly tough fiscal situation

    But there has been a genuine uproar about the Galway incident - people I know who are totally disinterested in politics are up in arms about it..........the politicans are responding as opposed to leading in this case........and probably not fast enough


    We are capable of keeping an eye on the two situations - it is rather patronising of you to assume differently - one would think that you have an agenda here - dont worry - the budget will get full attention when it comes around - the reason it hasn't been in the headlines is that , for once, the leaks emenating from the Gov have been kept to a minimum.

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    More politicians have been protesting about the economic situation than are now involved in abortion marches. The difference is that many politicians (ULA, etc.) have been ridiculed for their solutions to the economic crisis.

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    The most instructive issue for me is the entire Anglo Bondholder saga.

    Working people paying their taxes, and bailing out gamblers who fell for the lies of Seanie Fitzy, and Dave Drumm.

    The UK media published the names of the Anglo and AIB Bondholders. The Irish media decided not to tell the people (heavily dependent on advertising revenue from some of them).

    Senator Norris started reading out the names of the Anglo Bondholders in the Seanad, and he was prevented from doing so.

    It stinks all the way to the EU commission.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    More politicians have been protesting about the economic situation than are now involved in abortion marches. The difference is that many politicians (ULA, etc.) have been ridiculed for their solutions to the economic crisis.
    There may be a reason for that.
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    The level of political clamour regarding the tragic death of the Indian lady/abortion legislation/Never again protests demonstrate - as it more evidence was required - that our political system and our politicians are a farce.

    The country has been on a downward slide economically for 5 years and our politicians see nothing but constitutional and contractual barriers to resolve the real issue - we're paying too much for crap public service from the top down - and the elected AND permanent governments have got into the groove of "wait and see" - wait for the next election and see if somehow a bank deal or global recovery makes some of the problem go away. There's no political will to resolve the impasse, just lots of Dail time spent talking about it.

    Along comes a tragedy that suits politicians like Bacik's agenda and all of a sudden we have protests, actions, legislation, interest....even a bit of an international incident. If you just visited Ireland for the first time last week you'd be forgiven for thinking we were economically sound and that our biggest problem was ladies dying in child birth because they couldn't have an abortion (and also forgiven for assuming, it has to be said, that India's maternity care was the best in the world).

    All of a sudden politicians from all parties are demanding action, are inspiring protest, are demanding change - because they see political capital to be had NOT because it's the most important issue facing the country.

    One question I have is - is this just a useful smokescreen to get attention away from the dismal prospect of property tax, tax hikes, etc., in the budget or does it genuinely demonstrate that our politicians just have NO interest in solving our economic issues, and if not why not?
    I'm not going to defend politicians as a sect, but the fact is that Ireland is a society, not just an economy, and we need to deal with social as well as economic issues. It's not either/or.
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

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