Follow @PoliticsIE
 
 
 
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 21

Thread: Min Hogan ignores SIPO ruling about paying for Councillor's degree courses

  1. #1
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,552
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default Min Hogan ignores SIPO ruling about paying for Councillor's degree courses

    Some of you may have followed the long saga on this thread about how Dun Laoghaire Rathdown paid out 10k to two councillors to help them do degree courses. The thread ended with a ruling from the Standards in Public Offices Commission telling Minister Hogan that the legislation does not cover degree courses.

    In an interesting PQ response this week, Min Hogan has basically told SIPO where to go. He seems to claim that S.I. No. 668 of 2006 allows for such payments, though I can't find anything in the SI to support this.

    The Minister's new Local Govt Reform programme does include further restrictions on payments to Councillors for training and education, but that won't come into being for a couple of years. In the meantime, the Minister is allowing Councils to continue to pay for degree courses for Councillors, despite the SIPO ruling.

    I've never heard of a Minister ignoring a ruling from SIPO before. Have you?

  2. #2
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,223
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    What happens if the Councillors fail to get reelected? Do they pay the money back?

    Do they pay any tax on the free fees?

  3. #3
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,223
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Remember what Lord Denning M.R. (Master of the Rolls) said: "There are to be no cakes and ale, but cakes and ale for the benefit of the company".

  4. #4
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,223
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    To be fair the public would be likely to benefit from increased education and skills, of a Councillor who failed to get reelected, should they be fortunate enough to get a Job in the Public Service or Civil Service or with some State sponsored agency.
    Last edited by potholedogger; 16th November 2012 at 12:02 AM.

  5. #5
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    753
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by potholedogger View Post
    To be fair the public would be likely to benefit from increased education and skills, of a Councillor who failed to get reelected, shold they be fortunate enough to get a Job in the Public Service or Civil Service or with some State sponsored agency.
    The Dail is full of educated people and they seem to make the wrong decision all the time.

  6. #6
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    South Dublin
    Posts
    1,134
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RainyDay View Post
    Some of you may have followed the long saga on this thread about how Dun Laoghaire Rathdown paid out €10k to two councillors to help them do degree courses. The thread ended with a ruling from the Standards in Public Offices Commission telling Minister Hogan that the legislation does not cover degree courses.

    In an interesting PQ response this week, Min Hogan has basically told SIPO where to go. He seems to claim that S.I. No. 668 of 2006 allows for such payments, though I can't find anything in the SI to support this.

    The Minister's new Local Govt Reform programme does include further restrictions on payments to Councillors for training and education, but that won't come into being for a couple of years. In the meantime, the Minister is allowing Councils to continue to pay for degree courses for Councillors, despite the SIPO ruling.

    I've never heard of a Minister ignoring a ruling from SIPO before. Have you?
    I believe that after the MOS exposed Minister Quinn's creative mileage claims, Sipo suggested that in future ministers would submit claims detailing the journey instead of just a monthly mileage claim with no back up. This is obvious good practice. The system did change after the MOS exposure but now Ministers deduct 10% of the mileage claimed for 'personal' use. This means that they can within the rules (they make) charge for all their mileage no matter how much is personal as long as 10% is deducted!

  7. #7
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    2,372
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by potholedogger View Post
    To be fair the public would be likely to benefit from increased education and skills, of a Councillor who failed to get reelected, shold they be fortunate enough to get a Job in the Public Service or Civil Service or with some State sponsored agency.
    Would you ever cop on to yourself?
    You don't live in Ireland, obviously.

  8. #8
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    753
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    All councilers and Members of the Dail should be educated on how to SERVE THE PUBLIC, not SELF-SERVE.

  9. #9
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,223
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by PlanetBertie View Post
    All councilers and Members of the Dail should be educated on how to SERVE THE PUBLIC, not SELF-SERVE.
    Public Service should be a selection criteria the voters use at election time, rather than party affiliation.

  10. #10
    Politics.ie Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    1,223
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ygargarin View Post
    Would you ever cop on to yourself?
    You don't live in Ireland, obviously.
    Would you be surprised if a Councillor landed a very well paid state paid job with the new qualifications?

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •