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    Just heard a repeat of Newstalk discussion on commercial rates,an important issue given that retailing is about 70% of the economy. A rule of thumb one time was that rates were about 15% of commercial rents but they now are more than the rents as councils try to compensate for the loss of levies on new construction since the boom ended. Surprisingly,councils are still planning to increase levies by a whopping amount, maybe 70% in the next five years. A businessman interviewed on Newstalk advised businesses to make sure to appeal excessive rates quickly as unchallenged increases in rates would apply for 10 years.

    Councils don't want to face the fact that the boom is over when they budget their expenses. That could explain Environment Minister Hogan's plan to restructure them to save on admin costs.

    The effects of higher rates on retailing are dire in many areas,especially those competing with new shopping centres. Many small town streets have more boarded up shops than open shops. Even a substantial shopping area like Dun Laoire has a very high proportion of shuttered shops,according to the businessman on Newstalk. This is killing off jobs.

    A sensible approach to setting rates by councils would be to keep as many businesses open as possible,instead of the councils' present tax gouging attitude. Maybe the national government should intervene and set limits on rates in relation to rents and property valuations,given that it stands to gain hugely from taxation collected on increased employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    Just heard a repeat of Newstalk discussion on commercial rates,an important issue given that retailing is about 70% of the economy. A rule of thumb one time was that rates were about 15% of commercial rents but they now are more than the rents as councils try to compensate for the loss of levies on new construction since the boom ended. Surprisingly,councils are still planning to increase levies by a whopping amount, maybe 70% in the next five years. A businessman interviewed on Newstalk advised businesses to make sure to appeal excessive rates quickly as unchallenged increases in rates would apply for 10 years.

    Councils don't want to face the fact that the boom is over when they budget their expenses. That could explain Environment Minister Hogan's plan to restructure them to save on admin costs.

    The effects of higher rates on retailing are dire in many areas,especially those competing with new shopping centres. Many small town streets have more boarded up shops than open shops. Even a substantial shopping area like Dun Laoire has a very high proportion of shuttered shops,according to the businessman on Newstalk. This is killing off jobs.

    A sensible approach to setting rates by councils would be to keep as many businesses open as possible,instead of the councils' present price gouging attitude. Maybe the national government should intervene and set limits on rates in relation to rents and property valuations,given that it stands to gain hugely from taxation collected on increased employment.
    Several Councils have reduced rates.

    In some counties as many as 2/3 of businesses are not paying their water rates with as little as 50% paying rates.
    Councils should shut the dodgers down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by potholedogger View Post
    Several Councils have reduced rates.

    In some counties as many as 2/3 of businesses are not paying their water rates with as little as 50% paying rates.
    Councils should shut the dodgers down!
    Rates went up as rents went up. Rents have come down and rates should come down too. It is a major overhead and the businesses get diddly squat for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by potholedogger View Post
    Several Councils have reduced rates.

    In some counties as many as 2/3 of businesses are not paying their water rates with as little as 50% paying rates.
    Councils should shut the dodgers down!
    They aren't paying because most of them can't pay. We're in an economic DEPRESSION. If councils shut them down,unemployment would go up sharply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fides View Post
    Rates went up as rents went up. Rents have come down and rates should come down too. It is a major overhead and the businesses get diddly squat for it.
    Rates pay for services to the council communities,while businesses get the council benefits of roads,sewage and water. As an American prof asked,would you give up your flush toilet for all the inventions in the past ten years?

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    bang om 12 o'clock and you start another tread
    get a fupping life

    you need help
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fides View Post
    Rates went up as rents went up. Rents have come down and rates should come down too. It is a major overhead and the businesses get diddly squat for it.


    Rates have been falling

    Service Indicator Reports 2004 to 2010 | LGMA

    See page 146 onwards 2010 report

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    Quote Originally Posted by potholedogger View Post
    Several Councils have reduced rates.

    In some counties as many as 2/3 of businesses are not paying their water rates with as little as 50% paying rates.
    Councils should shut the dodgers down!
    Are the councils paying rates?

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    Are the irish unique in the application of rates? I know little on the subject, but they seem very high to me?

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    Just heard that many commercial rates in Dublin City Centre are to increase by 65% in 2014.

    Are these valuers insane ?

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