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    In this article the Guardian's Gary Younge argues the presidency of Barack Obama has done little for American blacks economically. Psychologically, however, things have never been better. Younge ascribes this to the fact that Obama is not a product of the black community and therefore is incapable of either empathising or identifying with the needs of the average black American.

    Barack Obama and the paradox behind his African American support base | Gary Younge | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

    Younge is correct insofar as, economically speaking, blacks are worse off after four years of Obama, but the primary reason he cites for this - that Obama doesn't fight hard enough for black America - is nonsense.

    First, the reason for poor economic prospects is America has experienced the largest economic collapse since the 1930s, but this was not Obama's fault. And, thanks primarily to actions to stabilise the economy taken by his administration, things are starting to turn around. Jobs are being created once more; employment prospects are beginning to improve for all socio-economic groups.

    Secondly, the executive branch is at the mercy of congress when it comes to spending money on housing, social security and similar programmes which massively influence poverty rates, never mind creating something new to help the poor. Republican congressmen and congresswomen, fearful of being challenged by well-funded Tea Party candidates in their next primaries, refuse to compromise with the White House over such banalities as raising the debt ceiling (which covers already agreed upon spending). Agreement on new government spending on social programmes is a non-runner.

    And this is how things will proceed. After the election the fiscal cliff looms large. If a deal can't be completed the federal government is going to shrink fast, with automatic cuts which will slash economic growth by four percent and put two million out of work. If Mr Younge thinks poverty amongst blacks is high now, he's in for a shock with what's to come. Unless the Democrats take congress, Obama's presidency will indeed be defined by black poverty, but not for lack of trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houyhnhnm View Post
    In this article the Guardian's Gary Younge argues the presidency of Barack Obama has done little for American blacks economically. Psychologically, however, things have never been better. Younge ascribes this to the fact that Obama is not a product of the black community and therefore is incapable of either empathising or identifying with the needs of the average black American.
    The sun will freeze over before blacks abandon Barack Obama, even if it turned out he liked to eat black infants for breakfast.

    As the excellent Water E. Williams has said:

    "Black support of politicians who have done little or nothing for their ordinary constituents is by no means unusual. Blacks are chief executives of major cities, such as Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, Memphis, Atlanta, Baltimore, New Orleans, Oakland, Newark, Cleveland and Cincinnati. In most of these cities, the chief of police, the superintendent of schools and other high executives are black. But in these cities, black people, like no other sector of our population, suffer from the highest rates of homicides, assaults, robberies and shootings. Black high-school dropout rates in these cities are the highest in the nation. Even if a black youngster manages to graduate from high school, his reading, writing and computational proficiency is likely to be equivalent to that of a white seventh- or eighth-grader. That's even with school budgets per student being among the highest in the nation...

    Black people would not accept excuses upon excuses and vote to re-elect decade after decade any white politician, especially a Republican politician, to office who had the failed records of our big-city mayors. What that suggests about black people is not very flattering".

    Black and White Standards by Walter E. Williams
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    He loves their votes.

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    He already knows he'll get the black vote. It's the vote he doesn't know he'll get that he has needed to concentrate on.

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    Here in Chicago, Jessie Jackson jr hasn't shown up for work in months being diagnosed as being bi-polar among other things yet he's considered a shoe in to retain his seat.
    Ya gotta love 'Chicago style' politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houyhnhnm View Post
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    And this is how things will proceed. After the election the fiscal cliff looms large. If a deal can't be completed the federal government is going to shrink fast, with automatic cuts which will slash economic growth by four percent and put two million out of work..
    Yes, but it will also mean a dramatic in the size of the defence budget and closure of defence plants. Congressmen with defence industry factories in their constituency are already under pressure to cave or face a massive (1) loss of election funding and (2) a massive backlash from their constituents who will not be pandered to with ideological hair-splitting.

    It will also mean the end of the Bush tax cuts with a corresponding rise in Federal revenues. But Obama can announce that faced with a choice between paying the Army and paying Medicare, he had to choose the Army and people who need Medicare expenses should write to their Congressmen. Or that he will pay Medicare, but the he cannot pay the Army whose soldiers are in the front lines.

    The fiscal cliff cuts both ways. The Republicans gambled that by January 20013, they would be in the White House. Now it looks like it will be President Obama, so he has the advantage to let the fiscal cliff hurt the Republicans as badly as possibly. Shutting down the Government has never worked out well for the Republicans.

    What's the betting there will be a Grand Compromise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by murf13 View Post
    Here in Chicago, Jessie Jackson jr hasn't shown up for work in months being diagnosed as being bi-polar among other things yet he's considered a shoe in to retain his seat.
    Ya gotta love 'Chicago style' politics.
    Its one messed up city. At least you have the Drake, which is one of my favorite hotels on the planet.

    Are the Nation of Islam guys still doing police work? How does the average white guy see this? How have Obama's ties to that crook Tony Rezko gone over with regular folk?
    Last edited by The System Works; 4th November 2012 at 10:39 PM.

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    Maybe if African-American illegitimacy rates exceed 80% then that aspect will be taken seriously.

    Also African-Americans need to vigorously oppose illegal immigration; they are US citizens and illegal aliens are not.

    I think that the future for Blacks in the USA is extremely bleak.

    They should listen to Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, even Larry Elder, and ignore the likes of Jackson and Sharpton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Yes, but it will also mean a dramatic in the size of the defence budget and closure of defence plants. Congressmen with defence industry factories in their constituency are already under pressure to cave or face a massive (1) loss of election funding and (2) a massive backlash from their constituents who will not be pandered to with ideological hair-splitting.

    It will also mean the end of the Bush tax cuts with a corresponding rise in Federal revenues. But Obama can announce that faced with a choice between paying the Army and paying Medicare, he had to choose the Army and people who need Medicare expenses should write to their Congressmen. Or that he will pay Medicare, but the he cannot pay the Army whose soldiers are in the front lines.

    The fiscal cliff cuts both ways. The Republicans gambled that by January 20013, they would be in the White House. Now it looks like it will be President Obama, so he has the advantage to let the fiscal cliff hurt the Republicans as badly as possibly. Shutting down the Government has never worked out well for the Republicans.

    What's the betting there will be a Grand Compromise?
    I think a lot of it will come down to what are the numbers this week. If Romney wins the popular vote, but loses the electoral college to Obama, the Republicans will not abandon the theatrics that have led to the fiscal cliff. Compromise would be out the window.

    But if Obama is re-elected with a large majority the GOP will be expected to enter a period of soul searching. This might result in them beginning to engage in something resembling politics to protect the defence contractor jobs in their districts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreeOrTalus View Post
    Maybe if African-American illegitimacy rates exceed 80% then that aspect will be taken seriously.

    Also African-Americans need to vigorously oppose illegal immigration; they are US citizens and illegal aliens are not.

    I think that the future for Blacks in the USA is extremely bleak.

    They should listen to Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, even Larry Elder, and ignore the likes of Jackson and Sharpton.
    Also African-Americans need to vigorously oppose illegal immigration

    OMG - they are Racists then?

    I do hope nobody tells Rosanna about this

    er sorry delete that last bit....

    I DO hope somebody tells Rosanna about this!

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