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    'Harney wanted PD merger with Fine Gael' - National News - Independent.ie

    According to the Sindo today this was Harney's preferred choice as she doubted the long term viability of the PD's!!!

    Bullet well dodged by FG. Could you imagine McDowell trying to lay down the law in FG and then walking out in a hissy fit if he didn't get his way? FG have enough problems at the moment without the rag tag leftovers of the PD's being part of it.

    I also think that FG would not have achieved as many seats in the last election if this had happened as it would have added to the "they're all the same" attitude that is so common at the moment. The PD's were disgraced by their toxic relationship with FF and it would have been crazy for FG to touch them.

    What do you think?

    Edit: on a hypothetical point if FG and the PD's had merged in 2002/2003 FF would have needed a different coalition partner... Who could they have gone with? Would FF still have been in power had this happened?
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    Did IBEC fully sanction the move ?

    Presumably, they were in favour of their political wing continuing to have some presence in the Dail ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcos the black View Post
    'Harney wanted PD merger with Fine Gael' - National News - Independent.ie

    According to the Sindo today this was Harney's preferred choice as she doubted the long term viability of the PD's!!!

    Bullet well dodged by FG. Could you imagine McDowell trying to lay down the law in FG and then walking out in a hissy fit if he didn't get his way? FG have enough problems at the moment without the rag tag leftovers of the PD's being part of it.

    I also think that FG would not have achieved as many seats in the last election if this had happened as it would have added to the "they're all the same" attitude that is so common at the moment. The PD's were disgraced by their toxic relationship with FF and it would have been crazy for FG to touch them.

    What do you think?
    This is really what happened. Where do you think all the PDs members and supporters are?

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    This stuff about Mater Harney wanting this merger was in McDowell's interview with La Finucane yesterday. Yes FG got off lightly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcos the black View Post

    According to the Sindo today this was Harney's preferred choice as she doubted the long term viability of the PD's!!!
    According to the Sindo who are repeating what McDowell said to Finucane. Think of it - a major story about what the former leader of a defunct political party told another member of the party, the world must be a lot duller than I thought if this is news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy M5 View Post
    This stuff about Mater Harney wanting this merger was in McDowell's interview with La Finucane yesterday. Yes FG got off lightly.
    Yes I know it was, it's referenced in the article. Is there a thread on this already? Apologies if there is, Mods, can you merge? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    According to the Sindo who are repeating what McDowell said to Finucane. Think of it - a major story about what the former leader of a defunct political party told another member of the party, the world must be a lot duller than I thought if this is news.
    Yes and no. While the party is now defunct at the time they held the balance of power. Had they joined with FG Bertie's 3 term disastrous "governance" of the country may not have happened, and both the political and economic landscape of the country might have been greatly different than it is today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcos the black View Post
    Yes and no. While the party is now defunct at the time they held the balance of power. Had they joined with FG Bertie's 3 term disastrous "governance" of the country may not have happened, and both the political and economic landscape of the country might have been greatly different than it is today.
    No. Instead of Ahern leading a government of wasters, we would have had an FG led government of wasters.

    IBEC would still have had a seat at the cabinet, courtesy of their political organ grinder monkey.

    And IBEC would have still ensured that the country was led into the abyss.
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    Far better for the PDs to dissolve than get involved with a group of idiots like FG. It took a quarter of a century for the people to trust FG with government, after the years of FitzGerald's incompetence. And based on the government approval ratings, it's taken less than two years for the electorate to have buyers response for opting for Kenny and the current generation of FG clowns.

    The lesson for the PDs was obvious; having seen their three main raisons d'etre implemented (accountability, social reform and tax reductions) their work was done. After that, there was little to differentiate them for FF or FG, so they should have left the stage in 2007. The other alternative was to become the voice of the growing Euro-sceptic element within the electorate.

    Longevity isn't a sign of success in politics. Getting a mandate to govern and implementing your policies is. And for the time they were around the PDs were far far more successful than FG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcos the black View Post
    'Harney wanted PD merger with Fine Gael' - National News - Independent.ie

    According to the Sindo today this was Harney's preferred choice as she doubted the long term viability of the PD's!!!

    Bullet well dodged by FG. Could you imagine McDowell trying to lay down the law in FG and then walking out in a hissy fit if he didn't get his way? FG have enough problems at the moment without the rag tag leftovers of the PD's being part of it.

    I also think that FG would not have achieved as many seats in the last election if this had happened as it would have added to the "they're all the same" attitude that is so common at the moment. The PD's were disgraced by their toxic relationship with FF and it would have been crazy for FG to touch them.

    What do you think?

    Edit: on a hypothetical point if FG and the PD's had merged in 2002/2003 FF would have needed a different coalition partner... Who could they have gone with? Would FF still have been in power had this happened?
    PDs have largely merged into FF in our part of the woods.

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