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    The Clare Courier ¦ News ¦ 50% rates cut needed say business owners

    Small indigenous businesses in Shannon are calling on Clare County Council to reduce commercial rates by at least 50% in the December budget. Up to sixty local business owners and representatives of community organisations vented their frustration about the rates at a meeting in the Oakwood Arms Hotel organised by Darragh O’Connor and Maurice Lynch.

    Overall the meeting painted a negative picture of relations between council officials and local business owners. Claims were made of excessive rates demands and unnecessary comments made to struggling business owners. At one point when asked for a show of hands if anyone had been told by a council official, “If you can’t pay your rates, you should close”, eight people raised their hands.

    In calling for fairer rates, Mr O’Connor accused the local authority of wasting considerable sums of money. “If we ran our businesses the way the council is run we wouldn’t have a business,” he said.
    The new property tax is supposed to make up for the shortfall which is going to occur when the national government stops paying money to councils. The potential however is that property taxes could quite easily pay the entire council bill, therefore making rates redundant. That being said there is not a single council out there that is currently willing to talk about rate reduction, much less their total removal.

    Rates for businesses in Clare right now exceed even rent. Add to that a new tax that will make business owners pay a few thousand more in taxes on their home and business and it will mean even more businesses will be closing.

    Anyone else have any opinions on this? Think the council is killing itself by refusing to drop the rates that were set during the boom years?

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    The Clare Courier ¦ News ¦ 50% rates cut needed say business owners



    The new property tax is supposed to make up for the shortfall which is going to occur when the national government stops paying money to councils. The potential however is that property taxes could quite easily pay the entire council bill, therefore making rates redundant. That being said there is not a single council out there that is currently willing to talk about rate reduction, much less their total removal.

    Rates for businesses in Clare right now exceed even rent. Add to that a new tax that will make business owners pay a few thousand more in taxes on their home and business and it will mean even more businesses will be closing.

    Anyone else have any opinions on this? Think the council is killing itself by refusing to drop the rates that were set during the boom years?
    Councils will never understand the business world as most of them have never worked in the real world. A nationwide rates strike is needed where people pay what they feel they can afford. In Dublin its €1400 to apply for planning to put a few table and chairs outside your coffee shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSternn View Post
    The Clare Courier ¦ News ¦ 50% rates cut needed say business owners



    The new property tax is supposed to make up for the shortfall which is going to occur when the national government stops paying money to councils. The potential however is that property taxes could quite easily pay the entire council bill, therefore making rates redundant. That being said there is not a single council out there that is currently willing to talk about rate reduction, much less their total removal.

    Rates for businesses in Clare right now exceed even rent. Add to that a new tax that will make business owners pay a few thousand more in taxes on their home and business and it will mean even more businesses will be closing.

    Anyone else have any opinions on this? Think the council is killing itself by refusing to drop the rates that were set during the boom years?
    it definitely doesnt make sense if otherwise viable businesses go bankrupt because of rates. in such a case the council is killing its golden goose + it's extra unemployment

    it could also be that the business owners are exagerating, or that their businesses simply arent viable. and the council does have to be funded in one way or another, if it's not businesses paying those charges then it's charges to local residents or a national tax

    be interesting to know how such charges to business in ireland compare to similar charges across europe. do other countries put the same burden on local business that we do via rates.

    also find out if there is any justification that the council can deliver the same services for less;
    - the business owners claim there is waste, they should give concrete examples to back it up
    - how much transparency is there in councils ? can we objectively say if efficiency or waste is a problem and identify where to improve
    - is there a need for better quality people in councils as managers to make things more efficient

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSternn View Post
    The Clare Courier ¦ News ¦ 50% rates cut needed say business owners



    The new property tax is supposed to make up for the shortfall which is going to occur when the national government stops paying money to councils. The potential however is that property taxes could quite easily pay the entire council bill, therefore making rates redundant. That being said there is not a single council out there that is currently willing to talk about rate reduction, much less their total removal.

    Rates for businesses in Clare right now exceed even rent. Add to that a new tax that will make business owners pay a few thousand more in taxes on their home and business and it will mean even more businesses will be closing.

    Anyone else have any opinions on this? Think the council is killing itself by refusing to drop the rates that were set during the boom years?


    What do they expect? There has to be money to fund the County Managers salary,after all he is more important than the prime minister of Spain.

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    Business rates are and have been for a long time ,an utter scandal .... but once again the SME section of the economy and its problems are ignored by the Media

    Now if the head of google or Intel said anything on the subject tomorrow, we would have hours of radio , television and entire forests of newspaper opinion pieces on it ... but most of the rest of Ireland seem too dim to see the relationship between the expense of eating or shopping and the extortionate (and archaic ) rates policies set out to keep wasteful councils in the long holidays , high pay and general incompetence we've all come to expect

    Enda claimed in the last election - quite a few times- that FG councils were reducing rates .... a blatant lie , but the journos chose to repeatedly let him get away with it rather than being challenged
    Is there any Incompetence Scandal or Corruption that would actually make the Irish electorate wake up ....It seems not, so screw em

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    Time to remove the setting of Business Rates away from the councils who set them to grab more money in to waste.

    Have a national Business Rate policy where amount is set so everyone knows what is being paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inda Kenny View Post
    Councils will never understand the business world as most of them have never worked in the real world. A nationwide rates strike is needed where people pay what they feel they can afford. In Dublin its €1400 to apply for planning to put a few table and chairs outside your coffee shop.
    Get rid of 70% of the dossers who are troughing on your money- then do the strike thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    ...but most of the rest of Ireland seem too dim to see the relationship between the expense of eating or shopping and the extortionate (and archaic ) rates policies set out to keep wasteful councils in the long holidays , high pay and general incompetence we've all come to expect
    As part of the rest of Ireland I think that even if rates fell there would be no benefit to the consumer. The extra cash would be retained as profit. Speaking of public service incompetence no doubt has some validity but it is at least matched if not eclipsed by the incompetence and irresponsibility of the private sector. Other threads have dealt with this ad nauseam. I do agree that there must be a reduction in costs across the economy including the profit generated from business and social welfare payments. There also needs to be a reduction in public services available. In the private sector if I supply a service I get paid for it. If I don't get paid then I don't supply the service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wishywashy View Post
    What do they expect? There has to be money to fund the County Managers salary,after all he is more important than the prime minister of Spain.
    Just how much is Clare's County Manager paid, does anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 44percent View Post
    As part of the rest of Ireland I think that even if rates fell there would be no benefit to the consumer. The extra cash would be retained as profit. .
    So what ?

    Is Profit such a bad word that the lefties hate it ?

    Are people who set up in business and take the risk not allowed earn a living from taking that risk or is it there are just there as a means of extracting even more money to subsidise the bloated public service.

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