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    Interesting article on the Sunday Business Post website about a week ago. It comes from a question from Richard Boyd Barrett to Minister Noonan on the Breakdown of who pays tax in Ireland.

    Some interesting stats from it. The most notable of which are:

    - The top 1% of people pay 18% of all income tax, USC and PRSI we receive. The top 1 per cent of income earners pay an effective tax rate of 38 per cent. There are 21,650 people in this bracket, with average earnings of 403,000.
    - The top 20% of people pay 71% of income tax, USC and PRSI we receive. The average income for this category is 100,000.

    It's interesting on two basis:
    1. It files in the face of the notion that the top aren't being touched during the crisis and that all tax comes from the middle class.
    2. It shows how dependent we are for tax on a small number of people, who you imagine are the most mobile.

    Full article here and there's a lot more in it:
    The Sunday Business Post
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    Who pays the most tax in Ireland?


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    Michael O'Leary must be consistently either at or close to the top year after year. If he had any sense he would take up residence in the Isle of Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    Michael O'Leary must be consistently either at or close to the top year after year. If he had any sense he would take up residence in the Isle of Man.
    Unlike the more "sporting" of the business elite, Michael actually considers himself a citizen of this country, not a member of the ascendancy.

    He gets a lot of stick for being a Clongowes boy and for his (perceived) right wing views, but compared to the racehorse owning and soccer club/team supporting/funding "betters", he is actually ethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    It's interesting on two basis:
    1. It files in the face of the notion that the top aren't being touched during the crisis and that all tax comes from the middle class.
    2. It shows how dependent we are for tax on a small number of people, who you imagine are the most mobile.
    I thought the complaint was not that all the tax is coming from the middle-class, but that the middle-class are suffering disproportionately compared to the very rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Interesting article on the Sunday Business Post website about a week ago. It comes from a question from Richard Boyd Barrett to Minister Noonan on the Breakdown of who pays tax in Ireland.

    Some interesting stats from it. The most notable of which are:

    - The top 1% of people pay 18% of all income tax, USC and PRSI we receive. The top 1 per cent of income earners pay an effective tax rate of 38 per cent. There are 21,650 people in this bracket, with average earnings of €403,000.
    - The top 20% of people pay 71% of income tax, USC and PRSI we receive. The average income for this category is €100,000.

    It's interesting on two basis:
    1. It files in the face of the notion that the top aren't being touched during the crisis and that all tax comes from the middle class.
    2. It shows how dependent we are for tax on a small number of people, who you imagine are the most mobile.

    Full article here and there's a lot more in it:
    The Sunday Business Post
    Did RBB have a press release for this information?

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    On the thread generally, what % of the 1% are state employees or dependent on state funds for their fees? (senior civil servants, heads of state funded bodies / Consultants / barristers / lawyers)

    What would the figures if we excluded those ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    I thought the complaint was not that all the tax is coming from the middle-class, but that the middle-class are suffering disproportionately compared to the very rich.
    I think it's both. These figures all oppose the second argument as well, as the rich are paying a higher rate of tax, as of course they should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Meldrew View Post
    On the thread generally, what % of the 1% are state employees or dependent on state funds for their fees? (senior civil servants, heads of state funded bodies / Consultants / barristers / lawyers)

    What would the figures if we excluded those ?
    Probably not a huge number of the 1% but probably a big percentage of the top 20%.
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    Who pays the most tax?
    A private sector PAYE worker who earns over €100,000, smokes 20 a day, drives an SUV (which he changes every year),takes 10 flights a year, drinks 3 bottles of wine a week, owns a second property which has a TV (edit: and 2.4% of his pension pot is to be seized by the State to pay for a job displacement programme).

    That tax is then used to contribute to pay €100,000 to a public sector non-smoking cyclist non-drinker who doesn't need a second property as his pension because the one he has is better than the sucker above could buy (even if was ever on he market). This man decides how the above's money should be spent, because he is better qualified to do so.
    Last edited by Con Gallagher; 2nd November 2012 at 06:20 PM.

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