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Thread: Phoney claims for wind energy exposed in article. Massive subsidies in electricity bills should be abolished.

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    Default Phoney claims for wind energy exposed in article. Massive subsidies in electricity bills should be abolished.

    See Wind energy claims are just a lot of hot air - Telegraph

    Many serious criticisms are levelled at wind energy in this article.Wind power lobbyists falsely claim it provides energy security,creates jobs and reduces CO2 emissions. [Green group think makes it hard to persuade people of this.];"it inflates energy prices;it drives the vulnerable into fuel poverty;it is holding back the economic recovery;it frightens off tourists;it produces low frequency noise...Oh-and it doesn't even reduce carbon emissions...requires near 100% back-up from conventional fossil fuel power..."

    "...misery wrought on my beloved Northamptonshire by the ruthless,rapacious and utterly mendacious wind industry has shocked me to the core."

    Hardly a corner of the Britain and Ireland will be free of a view dominated by massive turbines 150 metres high if wind power is to make a significant contribution to electric power. That's because the turbines must be spaced widely so they don't interfere with each other and because a vast number of wind farms are needed to compensate for unreliable,intermittent wind currents.

    In the present climate of austerity,padding of electricity bills with massive wind farm subsidies should be abolished. The only victims would be the wind farm subsidy junkies.

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    i like something Pat wrote , shhiite

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    For crying out loud, this insane wind farm policy has already failed elsewhere: Denmark. Yet we learn nothing.

    Denmark has the world’s highest density of wind towers. Its blighted much of the landscape. Yet the Danes pay the highest energy prices in Europe (and four times the US average). The wind farms only survive on a 257 million euro annual subsidy. Half of the Danish household electricity cost is tax. Denmark then ends up exporting 50 percent of its wind power to Sweden and Norway, because wind power cannot be turned on and off according to need. Yet the poor Danes happen to be charged for the use of their neighbors’ hydroelectric power, which can be turned on and off.

    The Germans have tried the same thing with solar power: $130 billion down the drain, accompanied by a 1% cut in CO2 emissions over 20 years, and a few ‘green jobs’ at the cost of $175,000 a pop.

    These subsidies will only create scores of more disasters like the Solyndra boondoggle.

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    It doesn't add up.
    Beyond a be seen to do something exercise.
    Unless all the windfarms are on a separate grid pumping into reservoirs it doesn't make sense. And how much would that cost the taxpayer, because that is who will assume the bill.
    Its only a chat, we ain't the world council.

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    Wind power is a scam and should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

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    The green agenda is the biggest blight visited on people, all it has done it is to raise prices on anything that can be termed Green. The subsidies given is like a green toll road to various companies. They can't lose.

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    It would certainly be good to see a hard cost/benefit analysis from a reliable and truly independent source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidoff View Post
    It would certainly be good to see a hard cost/benefit analysis from a reliable and truly independent source.
    Surely you have all the data you need to analyse the situation yourself.

    Ask yourself the following questions:

    Is intermittent power better than no power at all?
    Are foreign oil providers going to donate free oil to us if, in the future, we have another economic crisis and we find ourselves without anybody to bail us out?
    Right now the Troika are giving us enough money to buy all the oil we need; can we expect them to do likewise after the next crisis?

    Asking yourself these questions, and answering honestly, is all the analysis you'll need.
    When you see the words "Mises" or "Hayek" in someone's post, just ask yourself: do I really want to ban paper money and go back to gold?

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    Why not back up wind power with pumped storage. Ensure that turbines are only located on premium sites which have 10 times the power output of poorer sites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feargach View Post
    Surely you have all the data you need to analyse the situation yourself.

    Ask yourself the following questions:

    Is intermittent power better than no power at all?
    Are foreign oil providers going to donate free oil to us if, in the future, we have another economic crisis and we find ourselves without anybody to bail us out?
    Right now the Troika are giving us enough money to buy all the oil we need; can we expect them to do likewise after the next crisis?

    Asking yourself these questions, and answering honestly, is all the analysis you'll need.
    I think it's a bit more complicated. We have wind, it's far from being the cure all of the fanatics but it has a place in supplying power. My concern is that wind power is the new property bubble, being developed by cute hours who will be bailed out by the taxpayer.
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