A side debate started up on one of the feedback threads following a comment by a poster asserting that staunch party loyalists can engage in truly honest debate on political matters and that the bias of such posters does not allow them to think or speak independently.
A reasonable enough discussion followed this and it would seem a shame to lose those contributions in an off topic thread so I've moved them here.
I am using my own posts as an OP as it can cause objections (reasonable ones) where threads are created from posts belonging to users where they did not create the thread.
For openness, and I have acknowledged this before, I am a member of the Labour Party, albeit a critical one and one who is somewhat disgruntled by their performance in government.
I think that party members are , of course, capable of engaging in debate and often, but not always, can bring a greater level of knowledge to certain aspects of these debates.
However, those who relentlessly pump out the party line, with not criticisms of their own of their parties, do leave themselves open to criticism of supporting their party as one might support a football team or even simply engaging in propaganda rather than debate.
For the most part, though, I have found that many are capable of criticising their parties but can, human nature being what it is, be backed into a corner by senseless criticisms of them simply for being a supporter of a particular party, rather than because of their view, and can end up coming out swinging in support of their own.
The shills/hacks nonsense is tiresome, but those who constantly trot it out are, at least, making the level of maturity of their own debating as obvious as any true propaganda merchant.