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    The Indo reported on Thursday 18th Oct that the property tax "gets thumbs up from the Smart Taxes group".
    Smart Taxes is made up of An Taisce, DITs School of Real Estate and the School of Philosophy and Economic Science.

    The odd one out in this group is An Taisce.
    First, it is a private voluntary group accountable to nobody. Second, it's general remit in legislation is heritage/water protection with a statutory role in planning. Third, it operates as a secret society which refuses to publish the names of its members and refuses membership to people it doesn't like.

    I personally debated this aspect on RTE with then President Eanna Ni Leamhna in a programme presented by Tom Mc Gurk.
    Eanna defended the secret membership comparing An Taisce to a tennis club which would be entitled to protect the privacy of it's members. I argued the comparison was groundless because An Taisce has a statutory role in planning legislation. The idea that an unaccountable, private, secret organisation could have a statutory role in any legislation,
    is a subversion of democracy and an ongoing threat to the constitutional rights of Irish citizens.
    Chairman Charles Stanley Smith claims An Taisce has "a unique role in the planning process" (annual report 2010/11)
    It must be stressed that planning is a quasi judicial process. How can any private group claim a "unique role" in a judicial process?
    For years elected members in counties around Ireland have passed resolutions calling for the de-listing of An Taisce from the planning process, but without success. Successive governments have run scared from this organisation.

    A couple of years ago An Taisce decided to employ a dedicated official to become involved in energy policy issues (annual report)

    Along with energy policy, An Taisce is now into property taxes. This time it has hooked up with two 3rd level institutions which are fully accountable to the electorate. How can these bodies justify this association with a secret society on an issue as fundamental to democracy as taxes?

    What's next for An Taisce - planning the Budget?

    One stated priority of the Irish Citizens Party is to de-list An Taisce from the planning process, for a start.

    Jim Connolly
    Founder Irish Citizens Party
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Citizens Party View Post
    The Indo reported on Thursday 18th Oct that the property tax "gets thumbs up from the Smart Taxes group".
    Smart Taxes is made up of An Taisce, DITs School of Real Estate and the School of Philosophy and Economic Science.

    The odd one out in this group is An Taisce.
    First, it is a private voluntary group accountable to nobody. Second, it's general remit in legislation is heritage/water protection with a statutory role in planning. Third, it operates as a secret society which refuses to publish the names of its members and refuses membership to people it doesn't like.

    I personally debated this aspect on RTE with then President Eanna Ni Leamhna in a programme presented by Tom Mc Gurk.
    Eanna defended the secret membership comparing An Taisce to a tennis club which would be entitled to protect the privacy of it's members. I argued the comparison was groundless because An Taisce has a statutory role in planning legislation. The idea that an unaccountable, private, secret organisation could have a statutory role in any legislation,
    is a subversion of democracy and an ongoing threat to the constitutional rights of Irish citizens.
    Chairman Charles Stanley Smith claims An Taisce has "a unique role in the planning process" (annual report 2010/11)
    It must be stressed that planning is a quasi judicial process. How can any private group claim a "unique role" in a judicial process?
    For years elected members in counties around Ireland have passed resolutions calling for the de-listing of An Taisce from the planning process, but without success. Successive governments have run scared from this organisation.

    A couple of years ago An Taisce decided to employ a dedicated official to become involved in energy policy issues (annual report)

    Along with energy policy, An Taisce is now into property taxes. This time it has hooked up with two 3rd level institutions which are fully accountable to the electorate. How can these bodies justify this association with a secret society on an issue as fundamental to democracy as taxes?

    What's next for An Taisce - planning the Budget?

    One stated priority of the Irish Citizens Party is to de-list An Taisce from the planning process, for a start.

    Jim Connolly
    Founder Irish Citizens Party
    Irish Citizens Party
    .
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    The Planning Acts provide for An Taisce and about 20 other prescribed bodies to be informed of all planning applications in areas of scenic beauty or high amenity significance; where architectural, archaeological or environmental issues need to be considered.
    What have you to say about the other bodies?
    Have you been away for the last twenty years and not seen how developers, government and almost every local authority has attempted and often succeeded in destroying our environment and natural heritage for short term gain.

    The role of An Taisce has been largely benign unless of course you are a corrupt gombeen or one of the many dumb idiots that make up our electorate.
    As an organisation it may not be perfect and the 'secrecy' bit may not be to everones liking but looking at how Fianna Fail, corrupt county councils and developers have treated our country in recent times I think they have done their best at trying to stop some of the mad schemes and developments that have ruined us ( think housing estates on flood plains, ugly apartment blocks thrown up overnight, appalling planning decisons)
    I recall the hatred with which many cretinous county councillors attacked An Taisce when they attempted to point out that many developments were in breach of already existing county development plans and breached all good planning practice.
    Bord Pleanala were of no use nor were county planners in all of this-only An Taisce stood up for the common good!
    It is as a result of the policies of so many of the above that have led us to having to introduce a property tax!
    Perhaps if we had listened to An Taisce a bit more we might not need a property tax now.

    I take it that you are in Fianna Fail at a low level before now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Citizens Party View Post
    The Indo reported on Thursday 18th Oct that the property tax "gets thumbs up from the Smart Taxes group".
    Smart Taxes is made up of An Taisce, DITs School of Real Estate and the School of Philosophy and Economic Science.

    The odd one out in this group is An Taisce.
    First, it is a private voluntary group accountable to nobody. Second, it's general remit in legislation is heritage/water protection with a statutory role in planning. Third, it operates as a secret society which refuses to publish the names of its members and refuses membership to people it doesn't like.

    I personally debated this aspect on RTE with then President Eanna Ni Leamhna in a programme presented by Tom Mc Gurk.
    Eanna defended the secret membership comparing An Taisce to a tennis club which would be entitled to protect the privacy of it's members. I argued the comparison was groundless because An Taisce has a statutory role in planning legislation. The idea that an unaccountable, private, secret organisation could have a statutory role in any legislation,
    is a subversion of democracy and an ongoing threat to the constitutional rights of Irish citizens.
    Chairman Charles Stanley Smith claims An Taisce has "a unique role in the planning process" (annual report 2010/11)
    It must be stressed that planning is a quasi judicial process. How can any private group claim a "unique role" in a judicial process?
    For years elected members in counties around Ireland have passed resolutions calling for the de-listing of An Taisce from the planning process, but without success. Successive governments have run scared from this organisation.

    A couple of years ago An Taisce decided to employ a dedicated official to become involved in energy policy issues (annual report)

    Along with energy policy, An Taisce is now into property taxes. This time it has hooked up with two 3rd level institutions which are fully accountable to the electorate. How can these bodies justify this association with a secret society on an issue as fundamental to democracy as taxes?

    What's next for An Taisce - planning the Budget?

    One stated priority of the Irish Citizens Party is to de-list An Taisce from the planning process, for a start.

    Jim Connolly
    Founder Irish Citizens Party
    Irish Citizens Party
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    Are you Denis O'Donovan from FF?
    http://http//www.antaisce.ie/Press/A...an-claims.aspx

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    The point is that An Taisce did NOT challenge the big developers at all.

    It was far too busy stopping farmers in Mayo building houses for their children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanie Lemass View Post
    The point is that An Taisce did NOT challenge the big developers at all.

    It was far too busy stopping farmers in Mayo building houses for their children.
    Factually incorrect. I know of several cases ( one very close to home) where An Taisce opposed big developments but were overruled by An Bord Pleanala.
    All An Taisce requested re one off housing was that the existing regulations and good planning were upheld in all decisions.
    Of course we were building tens of thousands of these one off houses per year
    One look around our countryside shows how rarely any proper planning was involved.

    No other country in Europe has its countryside blighted in this way-is it any wonder the country is in the state it is with so many thousands of ignorant fools who cannot see beyond next year let alone the next decade!
    Vote for short term gain and populism!

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    Another rubbish thread by the so-called Irish Citizen's Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    Another rubbish thread by the so-called Irish Citizen's Party.
    The basic point of the post is that An Taisce is a private voluntary group that doesn't have to declare who its members are and yet has a statutory role in the planning processes and has become involved in different areas. I don't know enough about what is said in the Op to comment, but it would seem that they should be required to declare who their membership are. One presumes that all groups that have to be statutorily consulted should be required to reveal their membership?

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    ICP..can you ask a mod to put the word 'up' in the thread title?...without it, it sounds like something from The Godfather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Citizens Party View Post

    Jim Connolly
    I suppose that you have published the names of all ICP members, apart from yourself...there's...ahem...

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