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Thread: If SF & SDLP decided to sign the Petition of Concern regarding Welfare Reform Bill - what then ?

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    Default If SF & SDLP decided to sign the Petition of Concern regarding Welfare Reform Bill - what then ?

    As above. Now I'm not into the finer points of how a petition of concern is resolved so if someone can put me straight. But if SF and SDLP decided to sign the petition of concern, I presume the issue would go to London, and Westminster been the final arbitrator would have said something like " Listen Paddy's, if the Jocks and Taffy's can accept it, you lot will have to also " ?

    Personally I think SF made a balls of it hoping to bring the unionists on board in an attempt to get it changed or else trying to dump it in Finance Minister Sammy Wilson's lap. But as above, how could the rejection of the Welfare Reform Bill have been completed through the petition of concern by SF and the SDLP ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PO'Neill View Post
    As above. Now I'm not into the finer points of how a petition of concern is resolved so if someone can put me straight. But if SF and SDLP decided to sign the petition of concern, I presume the issue would go to London, and Westminster been the final arbitrator would have said something like " Listen Paddy's, if the Jocks and Taffy's can accept it, you lot will have to also " ?

    Personally I think SF made a balls of it hoping to bring the unionists on board in an attempt to get it changed or else trying to dump it in Finance Minister Sammy Wilson's lap. But as above, how could the rejection of the Welfare Reform Bill have been completed through the petition of concern by SF and the SDLP ?
    As far as I understand it, the bill would then have needed a cross-community vote? Unionists reckoned it would take a few (two?) hundred million out of the block grant. Breaking with parity with britain would have administrative costs etc. SF pretty much said it would reduce welfare spend here by 500 million overall.




























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    To reject a reserved matter would surely have caused damage to the welfare system in NI and those claiming benefits would have been adversely effected by such an action. The time to argue for / against the bill was before it received Royal Assent early this year.

    What I have to wonder is what are SF and SDLP against in the bill? The bill seems fair and it looks like its a simpler system too. What the problem with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    To reject a reserved matter would surely have caused damage to the welfare system in NI and those claiming benefits would have been adversely effected by such an action. The time to argue for / against the bill was before it received Royal Assent early this year.

    What I have to wonder is what are SF and SDLP against in the bill? The bill seems fair and it looks like its a simpler system too. What the problem with it?
    I think their problem with it is that the Tories plan to save an awful lot of money out of it, therefore they see it as cutting the feck out of social welfare, and socialist types are bound to "oppose" what they see as ideological Tory cuts on "the most vulnerable".
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsideImDancing View Post
    I think their problem with it is that the Tories plan to save an awful lot of money out of it, therefore they see it as cutting the feck out of social welfare, and socialist types are bound to "oppose" what they see as ideological Tory cuts on "the most vulnerable".
    The bill protects those most in need, it is fair and it is simple.

    SF and the SDLP should put forward an argument against it. Maybe they did but surely it can't just be that if the government propose it, they oppose it?

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    If it is a reserved matter why are you given the opportunity to reject it anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    The bill protects those most in need, it is fair and it is simple.

    SF and the SDLP should put forward an argument against it. Maybe they did but surely it can't just be that if the government propose it, they oppose it?
    Good thinking from a bunch of millionaires, hit the poorest people in society, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    The bill protects those most in need, it is fair and it is simple.

    SF and the SDLP should put forward an argument against it. Maybe they did but surely it can't just be that if the government propose it, they oppose it?

    This may simply be a case of Nationalist politicos listening to their vote base and onionist politicos treating their voters with contempt........as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyisBack View Post
    If it is a reserved matter why are you given the opportunity to reject it anyway?
    I don't think it is a reserved matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle Ray View Post
    The bill protects those most in need, it is fair and it is simple.

    SF and the SDLP should put forward an argument against it. Maybe they did but surely it can't just be that if the government propose it, they oppose it?
    As far as I can see, SF aren't opposing the bill outright, they're looking to tinker with it.
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