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    Greatly enjoying Dublin 1916 The French Connection, by W.J. McCormack

    He makes an excellent case for the argument that through Easter 1916 the IRB "effectively conceded" partition.

    Planning and execution:

    The first in the scale of unmentionable implications for the future was the strength, including the military strength, of Ulster Unionism. In planning the Easter events, the IRB effectively conceded the partition of Ireland; there was to be no action in Belfast (Connolly knew how promptly civil war would engulf the city’s proletariat); the Belfast man Denis McCullough (1883-1968), who headed up the IRB’s Supreme Council, was therefore kept in the dark about the Dublin plans: as notional President of the Republic he was deceived about its declaration.
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    Four important and highly active men, each sidelined by the signatories and their Proclamation, hailed from Ulster – Bulmer Hobson, Roger Casement, Denis McCullough and Eoin MacNeill. In practice, the North would not begin or join in.
    Separated in their final action from the United Irish traditions of Antrim and Down, the signatories tilled the ground for a partition rapidly installed in 1920-22. The IRB’s kidnapping of Hobson just before the Insurrection had no local sectarian basis – Hobson came from a Quaker family – and it can hardly have been done to impress the Pope.4 But it inevitably draws attention to the apparent Catholic monopoly among the leaders of 1916. Fenians though most of them were in strict and sworn fidelity or by intimate association, all these men – including Thomas Ceannt (executed in Cork), and Roger Casement (executed in London) – were Catholics, in stark contrast to the roll-call in Yeats’s ‘September 1913’ – Emmet, Fitzgerald and Wolfe Tone.
    Pages 48-49, my emphases in bold.

    The pretence of a geographically determined single nation opposed to the Union was demonstrated to the world as being false - the planning and execution of the rising was partitionist. Any attempt to reach a compromise was seriously undermined and the de-facto acknowledgement by those involved in what McCormack describes as "a brilliant entry-ist coup" that there were two Irelands paved the way for a settlement in which Catholic Ireland could create a state without the serious problem of a large number of hostile Protestants within its borders.

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    I don't see any case there at all really....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCoise2 View Post
    I don't see any case there at all really....
    You would say that, wouldn't you petunia

    So - the Northern leaders were not excluded and it wasn't a southern rising?

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    One West Brit acclaims another. Well I never. His alias is Hugh Maxton BTW.

    How about some of his other books??

    Waking: An Irish Protestant Upbringing
    ‘The Great only appear great because we are on our knees: Let Us Rise!’ “ (James Larkin)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    You would say that, wouldn't you petunia

    So - the Northern leaders were not excluded and it wasn't a southern rising?
    I would be very surprised if tom Clarke considered himself anything but a Tyrone man, Eoin Mac Neill wasn't in the IRB and Roger Casement was in a British jail making it a bit hard for him to sign.

    It was a Dublin Rising (its the capital and biggest city and seat of Brit rule), Galway was excluded too you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    One West Brit acclaims another. Well I never. His alias is Hugh Maxton BTW.

    How about some of his other books??

    Waking: An Irish Protestant Upbringing
    Maxton, Hugh (McCormack, W.J.) | Irish Writers Online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    One West Brit acclaims another. Well I never. His alias is Hugh Maxton BTW.

    How about some of his other books??

    Waking: An Irish Protestant Upbringing
    Excellent poet. Do facts become less factual when uttered by a Protestant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCoise2 View Post
    I would be very surprised if tom Clarke considered himself anything but a Tyrone man, Eoin Mac Neill wasn't in the IRB and Roger Casement was in a British jail making it a bit hard for him to sign.

    It was a Dublin Rising (its the capital and biggest city and seat of Brit rule), Galway was excluded too you know
    It was never meant to be exclusive to Dublin though. The countermanding order published in the press effectively stopped any chance of the rest of the country from rising. Until that order they had been prepared and were ready to rise with the rest. To call it a Dublin rising is rather disingenuous.
    If you continue to elect idiots in elections, don't be surprised when the result is an idiotic government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    Excellent poet. Do facts become less factual when uttered by a Protestant?
    I see some opinions highlighted by Crumbs. When did opinions become fact??
    ‘The Great only appear great because we are on our knees: Let Us Rise!’ “ (James Larkin)

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    So if there was no individuals, say, from Clare, participating in the Rising it de facto meant that Clare was to be excluded from the new Republic?
    All great truths begin as blasphemies!

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