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Thread: Vietnam & Irish Aid - why are we giving millions to a Dictatorship with such huge Armed Forces?

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    Default Vietnam & Irish Aid - why are we giving millions to a Dictatorship with such huge Armed Forces?

    With the Uganda Scandal hitting the headlines this one should also be made note of:

    Vietnam is one of the most heavily militarised States in the World

    The size of its Air Force alone is staggering!

    Vietnam People's Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ireland will provide 11 million euro in assistance to Vietnam this year, in addition to 1 million euro to support demining in Laos and Cambodia.
    Mr Costello's three day trip takes place as investigations continue in to the alleged fraud of Irish Aid funding in Uganda.
    Minister to see Vietnam aid work - National News, Breaking News - Herald.ie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpa View Post
    With the Uganda Scandal hitting the headlines this one should also be made note of:

    Vietnam is one of the most heavily militarised States in the World

    The size of its Air Force alone is staggering!

    Vietnam People's Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ireland will provide 11 million euro in assistance to Vietnam this year, in addition to 1 million euro to support demining in Laos and Cambodia.
    Mr Costello's three day trip takes place as investigations continue in to the alleged fraud of Irish Aid funding in Uganda.
    Minister to see Vietnam aid work - National News, Breaking News - Herald.ie
    We give aid to these type of governments because Eamon Gilmore and the rest of the happy clappy brigade get a warm feeling doing so.

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    We have white-saviour syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racist View Post
    We give aid to these type of governments because Eamon Gilmore and the rest of the happy clappy brigade get a warm feeling doing so.
    Hmm..

    I don't suppose any Irish oil/gas exploration companies are prospecting/extracting in Vietnam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racist View Post
    We give aid to these type of governments because Eamon Gilmore and the rest of the happy clappy brigade get a warm feeling doing so.
    Its a Hot place they belong in....

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    Vietnam is a great country and the Vietnamese are great people The Catholic Church is thriving in the South, making inroads in the Central Highlands and struggling in the North.
    Some of history's worst war crimes were committed against the Vietnamese people by the American savages. I refer in particular to the widespread use of Monsanto's Agent Orange which continues to kill and maim Vietnamese children today. The criminal American government refuses to pay compensation and if the Irish are making a tiny contribution to that or to clear up mines the SA trained Khmer Rouge left behind, it is money well spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racist View Post
    We give aid to these type of governments because Eamon Gilmore and the rest of the happy clappy brigade get a warm feeling doing so.
    Gilmore & Co can have multi-orgasms if they wish but that is not the reason for giving aid. As with large corporations who donate to charities there is no real altruism involved. Donations are made in order to persuade the general public wha wonderful, warm-hearted guys Pzizer, Guinness, Tesco...whatever really are and thus worthy of one's continued custom. Vharitable giving by large trading corporations have no element of real charity in them they are simply investments in the public gullibility and differ little from general advertising of a company's brand or name.

    So it s with aid given by a first world nation to a third world nation, the giving is to remind the recipient nation when it gets on its feet, from where it might seek those goods and services that it requires to import. An investment then as any other.

    The importance of a large and well functioning air defence would be of paramount importance for the maintenance of Vietnam's security given the ever present danger of military incursions from its imperialist-minded neighbour, the People's Republic of China, whose aggressive incursions Vietnam have had to repel on a number of occasions since driving US imperialists from its shores. Not much point in increasing productivity in the paddy fields only to have your neighbour come and seize the rice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mary_queen_of_the_gael View Post
    Vietnam is a great country and the Vietnamese are great people The Catholic Church is thriving in the South, making inroads in the Central Highlands and struggling in the North.
    Some of history's worst war crimes were committed against the Vietnamese people by the American savages. I refer in particular to the widespread use of Monsanto's Agent Orange which continues to kill and maim Vietnamese children today. The criminal American government refuses to pay compensation and if the Irish are making a tiny contribution to that or to clear up mines the SA trained Khmer Rouge left behind, it is money well spent.
    Indeed

    However the Government of Vietnam should spend its own money on helping its own People

    - & the Irish Government should do the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory Carr View Post
    Gilmore & Co can have multi-orgasms if they wish but that is not the reason for giving aid. As with large corporations who donate to charities there is no real altruism involved. Donations are made in order to persuade the general public wha wonderful, warm-hearted guys Pzizer, Guinness, Tesco...whatever really are and thus worthy of one's continued custom. Vharitable giving by large trading corporations have no element of real charity in them they are simply investments in the public gullibility and differ little from general advertising of a company's brand or name.

    So it s with aid given by a first world nation to a third world nation, the giving is to remind the recipient nation when it gets on its feet, from where it might seek those goods and services that it requires to import. An investment then as any other.

    The importance of a large and well functioning air defence would be of paramount importance for the maintenance of Vietnam's security given the ever present danger of military incursions from its imperialist-minded neighbour, the People's Republic of China, whose aggressive incursions Vietnam have had to repel on a number of occasions since driving US imperialists from its shores. Not much point in increasing productivity in the paddy fields only to have your neighbour come and seize the rice.
    For crying out loud that was 33 years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpa View Post
    Indeed

    However the Government of Vietnam should spend its own money on helping its own People

    - & the Irish Government should do the same
    A Ms Noble, from Dublin runs an orphanage in Saigon. It is a very popular source of funding with the ex pat brigade. There are still a lot of poor in Vietnam and awful crimes have been committed against them in living memory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpa View Post
    For crying out loud that was 33 years ago...
    Reminds me of a joke: This guy is walking down a street when he sees 6 skinheads beating up an old man. They ask him why they are doing that.
    They say: He is a Jew.
    So?
    They killed Jesus.
    But that happened 2000 years ago.
    Makes no difference. We only heard about it yesterday.
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    The Vn put up with Chinese imperialism for 1000 years and the Chinese navy today threatens the Spratly Islands along with many other places.

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