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    Default Socialists Targetted in South Africa for supporting mineworkers strike

    There has been a dangerous and sinister turn to events in South Africa where 100,000 mine workers remain on strike in the Rustenberg region of South Africa.

    Members of the Democratic Socialist Movement (sister party of the Socialist Party) have been playing a very important role in assisting workers organising the strike, winning the argument with workers that worker-on-worker violence does not serve any purpose except the interest of the minow owners and the government and assisting in the development of a region wide body of independent workers committess to organise the strike action and support for the families of striking workers.

    In a very sinister and dangerous change in direction by the South African establishment, the discredited leadership of the so-called National Union of Mineworkers, COSATU and the South African Communist Party (part of the triumpherate of power involving the ANc, the SACP and COSATU) have engaged in a potentially lethal witchhunt against members of the Democratic Socialist Movement.

    On Friday, 18th October, National Union of Mineworkers leadership on SAFM’s morning show claimed that the DSM is responsible for the murder of their shop stewards. This is an utterly reprehensive allegation that potentially threatens the lives of members of the DSM.

    On Saturday 20th October Congress of South African Trade Unions General Secretary, Zwelinzima Vavi, at a press conference, claimed that the Democratic Socialist Movement instigated the stoning of his car at the Orkney Mine in Klerksdorp on Friday 19th October 2012. These allegations are false, unsubstantiated and irresponsible.

    Over the following days allegations by the SACP-linked Communist University internet forum (CU), claimed that the DSM is linked to the apartheid killers that carried out the Boipatong massacre, and the Alexandra and KwaZulu-Natal atrocities during the struggle against apartheid. Again this is an utterly reprehensible claim that in the context of South African Society potentially threatens the lives of members of the DSM

    More sinister is the fact that during the week the Communist University published the names, telephone numbers, employment details and photographs of DSM members – amounting to a hit list and an invitation to assassinate DSM members. The DSM has demanded that Cosatu, NUM and the SACP condemn this reckless endangerment of DSM members’ lives and the personal information of these individuals be removed from the internet.

    In a statement issued following a meeting of its Executive Committee on Friday 26th October the Democratic Socialist Movement stated -

    The DSM has a proud record on the question of violence in the working class struggle in general and the miners’ strike in particular. Whilst we defend the right to self defence, we are firmly opposed to worker-on -worker violence. In line with international trade union tradition, we support efforts to prevent the bosses from breaking strikes through the use of scabs. But we advocate the force of argument, not the argument of force; persuasion and appeals to class solidarity rather than violence. In the face of the popular view that strike breakers should be dealt with by force up to and including putting them to death, we have stood firm putting forward what was at first a minority opinion and won over the majority of workers to our point of view.

    What we plead guilty to is standing side-by-side with our class brothers and sisters, the mineworkers, in their struggle against slavery by the most rapacious section of the capitalist class in SA. We have offered guidance, promoted unity in action and sought solidarity in SA and internationally for the mineworkers. We make no apology for this. It is the fact that our analysis correspond to reality and the workers’ own conclusions and that our tactics have united them and sustained the struggle for as long as it has endured, that is the reason that the DSM is so popular and is so sought after on the mines. It is the role the NUM and Cosatu should have played.

    The Cosatu/NUM leaders are the architects of their own demise. As the Marikana Commission of inquiry’s latest evidence confirms, the NUM leadership stood on the other side of the class barriers, actively colluded with the mining bosses, denouncing the demands and the actions of their own members, and called for the ANC to help end the strike and for the police to smash it.

    It is an absolute disgrace that the NUM/Cosatu/SACP leaders are regurgitating the anti-working class prejudices of the upper class social circles they inhabit. They have drenched the mineworkers under a constant toxic torrent of abuse from the beginning. They denounced the strike as criminal; accused the workers of being under the influence of sangomas; of being led, in the words of SACP deputy general secretary Jeremy Cronin, by “Pondoland vigilante mafias”; of being under the influence of AMCU which in turn was allegedly created by the Chamber of Mines, and of being fooled by the ANC Youth League and Julius Malema. The DSM “counter-revolutionaries” are only but the latest addition to the NUM, the SACP and Cosatu’s list of scapegoats. It is this that has turned the mineworkers against the NUM and Cosatu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCoise2 View Post
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    Please explain what you mean by 'good' - the targetting of socialist activists for murder just because you don't agree with them?
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    Maybe the socialist party in question should not complain so much. Since the outset of the first miners strike, union on union violence has been to the fore. Now some washy socialist group want to claim that they too are being injured, while not actually involving themselves in what is a bitter internal struggle? Pretty lame.

    No matter what the situation between employers and the various unions, there is undeniable tension between unions on the ground. Your own condemnation of one faction in that tustle shows you do recognise that. A sly attempt to side step all the warring factions by the "Democratic Socialist Movement", and hog the limelight, is naive to say the least, given people are being killed. We have seen this sort of weak socialist sqwuaking at Lindsey too, "very important" Socialist role and business there too apparently. But also a blatent attempt to sidestep the underlying racist issue that informed that strike.

    And is the Democratic Socialist Movement a sister party of the 'Socialist Party' like you infer? Do elaborate on that please. Or 'sister' in the way 'People before profit' is related to the SWP? If the DSM has been playing an important role, its been doing a pretty p*ss poor job to this point, with miners dead and thousands sacked. Well done.

    If the DSM cannot take the heat, then they should get out of the way, or stop pretending they are front end centre and suffering sigmata. There is nothing nice about whats going on, but in SA the likes of the DSM could get eaten alive if they tread on the wrong toes.

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    Frankly, I wouldn't trust anyone in this. Whatever left wing combination of words is used as a party title or political slogan they're all much the same.
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    The flippancy of your remarks are insulting to those who have suffered in South Africa during this strike wave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    Since the outset of the first miners strike, union on union violence has been to the fore.
    Factually incorrect - the NUM have been bribed by the mine owners to sign agreements that screw the mine workers they are supposed to be representing. The former General Secretary of the NUM is now a member of the Board of Lonmin. The workers who went on strike were former members of the NUM who simply abandoned the union. The AMCU was not involved in the Lonmin strike and actually have little membership in the Rustenberg area. The violence that has been perpetrated during the recent strikes has been orchestrated by the mine owners working in conjunction with the ANC government and the leadership of the NUM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    Now some washy socialist group want to claim that they too are being injured, while not actually involving themselves in what is a bitter internal struggle? Pretty lame.
    Again factually incorrect - the Democratic Socialist Movement is playing an integral role in building the independent miners strike committees and the township defence committees to combat attacks by the state forces and the mine owners private security thug army. This is not an internal confict of any sort - that is ANC propaganda to justify the massacre of miners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    No matter what the situation between employers and the various unions, there is undeniable tension between unions on the ground.
    Factually incorrect - the NUM are not a union - they are a bunch of henchmen for the mine owners - the AMCU is not involved and the mine workers are building their own independent union based in the Rustenberg region. The miners are conscious of the fact that a number of years ago there was violence between then NUM and AMCU - their attitude towards both groups is 'a plague on all yer houses'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    our own condemnation of one faction in that tustle shows you do recognise that.
    The condemnation of the NUM is based on the fact that they fingered key strike activists during the massacre at Marikana to police snipers - they fingered key strike activists on the first day of the strike at the Lonmin mine to police snipers (that resulted in the deaths of four workers and was the catalyst for the attack on the NUM offices in Marikana) and because now the NUM are engaged in an attempted witchhunt against socialists who have been assisting the striking workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    A sly attempt to side step all the warring factions by the "Democratic Socialist Movement", and hog the limelight, is naive to say the least, given people are being killed.
    The DSM has a long history going back to the 1970s of confronting the apartheid state and now the ANC tripartite government and over the past 35 years the SA Communist Party have made repeated attempts to use hitlists to undermine the support of the (then) Marxist Workers Tendency and (now) DSM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    We have seen this sort of weak socialist sqwuaking at Lindsey too, "very important" Socialist role and business there too apparently.
    What stupid point are you attempting to make here

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    But also a blatent attempt to sidestep the underlying racist issue that informed that strike.
    And here

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    And is the Democratic Socialist Movement a sister party of the 'Socialist Party' like you infer? Do elaborate on that please. Or 'sister' in the way 'People before profit' is related to the SWP?
    The Socialist Party and the Democratic Socialist Movement are affiliated along with 40 other parties to the Committee for a Workers International

    socialistworld.net - website of the CWI - committee for a workers' international

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    If the DSM has been playing an important role, its been doing a pretty p*ss poor job to this point, with miners dead and thousands sacked. Well done.
    The ANC government and the mine owners have embarked on the most vicious class war currently on the planet in their attacks on the mine workers in Rustenberg. They are using the entire might of the SA state plus hired thugs in an attempt to wreck the attempt by workers at organisation in the region. The workers are well aware of what is at stake and are determined to build an independent trade union organisation that will fight for their interests. The fact that 100,000 mine workers are still on strike and mine production in the region is at a virtual standstill after the massacres and sackings and threats and intimidation and propaganda is a testament to their determination and committment. The DSM is standing shoulder to shoulder with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    If the DSM cannot take the heat, then they should get out of the way, or stop pretending they are front end centre and suffering sigmata. There is nothing nice about whats going on, but in SA the likes of the DSM could get eaten alive if they tread on the wrong toes.
    The DSM has stood with the working class of South Africa for 35 years and will continue to do so as long as the capitalist elites attempt to wring blood, sweat and tears from the South African working class. The standing of the DSM among the Rustenberg is demonstrated by the fact that a mamber of the DSM, Mametlwe Sebei, is chairperson and chief spokesperson of the National Strike Coordinating Committee which represents workers under the Rustenburg Strike Coordinating Committee and gold mines in Gauteng province and platinum mines in Limpopo and most recently the coal mines in the province of Mpumalanga, gold mines in the Free State province and the diamond mines in the Northern Cape. The National Strike Coordinating Committee is now the body that represents the majority of South African workers working in the mining industry.

    Video of Mametlwe Sebei speaking at a press conference two weeks ago.

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    Why do I get the impression that the OP is just parroting a line cooked up by some Trotskyist in London, and knows no more about what's actually happening on the ground in SA than I do?


    I remember the trots in another age presuming to give advice to the Sandinistas about how to run their revolution, lecturing Cubans on how to organise their economy and informing left-wing parties in India about the need to nationalise the commanding heights of industrial production immediately.

    The tone and language (including body language), and even accents, of speaker after speaker was almost identical and all appeared to have its origin at a single source somewhere in perfidious Albion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    Why do I get the impression that the OP is just parroting a line cooked up by some Trotskyist in London?
    Oh holy ****************************** - not another hack that can't see beyond his nose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Oh holy ****************************** - not another hack that can't see beyond his nose.
    I'm an experienced political activist who is very familiar with the appalling hymnsheet singing of the organisation now referred to as "the Socialist Party".

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