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Thread: Children's Hospital -- let the people decide by referendum

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    Default Children's Hospital -- let the people decide by referendum

    Similar for the need for child protection in the constitution, the location of the national Children's Hospital will potentially affect every family in the country irrespective of where they live.

    An Taoiseach Enda Kenny has admitted to the power of unelected planners over Government decisions. He is fearful of a repeat of the Board Pleanala decision which threw out the Mater site, so he has appointed John Fitzgerald ex Dublin City Manager to advise on the final location. As City Manager he was the most senior planning official in the country.
    So now the vital health concerns of every family in the country narrow down to one ex planner (however distinguished)

    Or do they?

    NO.

    An Board Pleanala ( 7 or 8 quasi civil servants ) can make any decision it likes.

    Once again the power we have vested in this bureaucratic planning monster to govern, Rules OK.
    This is the reality -- it would not be tolerated in any other democracy.
    Facts:
    The Board is a quasi judicial body ( with serious legal clout ) at the top of the planning process. Theoretically it is beyond any outside influence. Only one private, unelected body with a secret membership claims to have a "unique role in the planning process" ( Charles Stanley Smith, Chairman of An Taisce Annual Report 2010/11 )

    Children's Hospital:
    Time to cut through all this undemocratic planning sleaze and finally let the people of Ireland decide what's best for our children.
    The cost of a referendum ( maybe 2 million ) is a drop in the ocean compared to the 40 or 50 already spent on design and planning and to the projected final cost of this vital national project.
    Publish all the reports, give people sufficient time to study them and hold a referendum.

    What a score for real democracy in Ireland this would be.

    Thomas Jefferson said it all with his rhetorical question "if the people aren't fit to rule themselves, who is?"
    Jim Connolly
    Founder Irish Citizens Party
    Last edited by Irish Citizens Party; 25th October 2012 at 02:49 PM.

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    I'd rather children would make this decision.
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    Because most people care little and know nothing about the issue...
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    What a brilliant idea. I'm sure the people, in their infinite wisdom, would all vote for the good of the country as a whole and not their own self interest, the way they now vote for politicians of proven ability to govern at a NATIONAL level, as opposed to voting AGAIN AND AGAIN for the local buffoon who buys them a pint and promises to get everyone in their family a medical card whether they need one or not. Oh, hang on....

    Sure why stop at the Children's Hospital? Let's all vote every time a strategic decision of any kind has to be made. I'd love to have seen Metro North built cause it'd suit me just grand. When can we have a referendum on that?

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    How about we appoint a few people who know what the f*** they're doing, give them a set time-frame, and ask them to pick the best site based on some reasonably sane criteria like - "what's the best place to put a children's hospital?"

    How difficult can this be?

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    Jaysus. Never heard such nonsense, could you imagine the parish pumpisms.
    A hospital on every crossroads with a new school beside it.
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    As a supporter of Libertarianism I have to question the need for a hospital at all. Every child should be free to operate on themselves.

    Given the thread title I presume this is the place for dumb ideas..
    I care about all sorts of crap.

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    Never understood why it had to be in Dublin in the first place... why not somewhere like portlaoise? ONly mentioning pl because it has motorway access from Dublin, Cork and Limerick so it strikes me as a better place for it.

    Dublin may be handy for Dubliners but for the rest of us who hate driving to and in Dublin it's a pain in the ass at a time when you should have enough to worry about. Portlaoise would still be handy for Dubliners though - even handier if a rail link was available (no idea if it is).

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    Why "build" a hospital at all? We could create a hospital out of several prefabs and then move the hospital around on the back of a truck. Donegal are All-Ireland champions this year so that should be the first port of call for de hospital.

    Some people might have a problem finding the hospital in an emergency. However, that problem will be resolved by developing an App for both the Apple and Android markets.
    Last edited by LDF; 25th October 2012 at 02:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vega1447 View Post
    Because most people care little and know nothing about the issue...
    And everyone will vote for the nearest choice to themselves.
    "Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."

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