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    Quote Originally Posted by Golah veNekhar View Post
    Anti-Semite is stupid term ...
    No doubt. I'd bet you say the same about the terms 'racist', or 'sectarian', or 'bigot', or even 'kiddie fiddler from Northern Ireland'.

    In other words, you would prefer to take away the very language the victims draw on to describe what is happening to them, or has happened to them (where you are involved).

    Of course, people know what 'antisemitism' means today as it is has been the term used over the last 140 years to describe various persecutions and massacres of Jews, and is the term that has underlied discussion of historical perspective in analysis of the underlying causes and sentiment involved, etc.

    The term "antisemitism" has thus developed strong associations and meanings derived from the relatively short period that it has been in use (since Wilhelm Marr coined it in 1879). Sure, on account of this, everything conjured up in the mind today under the term 'antisemitism' is a hindrance to people like you. You would like to get rid of it, or redefine it to mean something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc_ View Post
    No doubt. I'd bet you say the same about the terms 'racist', or 'sectarian', or 'bigot', or even 'kiddie fiddler from Northern Ireland'.

    In other words, you would prefer to take away the very language the victims draw on to describe what is happening to them, or has happened to them (where you are involved).

    Of course, people know what 'antisemitism' means today as it is has been the term used over the last 140 years to describe various persecutions and massacres of Jews, and is the term that has underlied discussion of historical perspective in analysis of the underlying causes and sentiment involved, etc.

    The term "antisemitism" has thus developed strong associations and meanings derived from the relatively short period that it has been in use (since Wilhelm Marr coined it in 1879). Sure, on account of this, everything conjured up in the mind today under the term 'antisemitism' is a hindrance to people like you. You would like to get rid of it, or redefine it to mean something else.
    Do you think your posts on here and on PoliticalIrish.com have helped prevent anti-Semitism by and large or have they do you actually invoked it, and reinforced it when it already existed? Do you have any views on Iman Tawhidi? No doubt antisemitism does indeed exist but I am believe it to be irrational and unjust on various levels- the most obvious one being that Jews are not a racial group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golah veNekhar View Post
    Do you think your posts on here and on PoliticalIrish.com have helped prevent anti-Semitism by and large or have they do you actually invoked it, and reinforced it when it already existed?
    Antisemites like you and Tadhg and the rest of your cronies on politicalirish.com no doubt feel doubly vindictive when I hold a mirror in front of you.

    But as Herzl pointed out, you cannot change or "cure" an antisemite, you can only avoid them.

    Let me remind you my area of concern is Irish antisemitism. That is the war I involve myself with. The war against Irish antisemitism. And in that regard, yes, I think it better that you and your others speak your sentiment plainly, and transparently so that others can see you clearly, the better to understand that yes, there exists a problem, and yes, it is a serious one, that is a stain on the Irish people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc_ View Post
    Antisemites like you and Tadhg and the rest of your cronies on politicalirish.com no doubt feel doubly vindictive when I hold a mirror in front of you.

    But as Herzl pointed out, you cannot change or "cure" an antisemite, you can only avoid them.

    Let me remind you my area of concern is Irish antisemitism. That is the war I involve myself with. The war against Irish antisemitism. And in that regard, yes, I think it better that you and your others speak your sentiment plainly, and transparently so that others can see you clearly, the better to understand that yes, there exists a problem, and yes, it is a serious one, that is a stain on the Irish people.
    I don't think Tadgh is an anti-Semite as such, he does have tendencies at times towards anti-Semitism but I doubt he would let himself go there because his parents instilled in him a strong sense of rational justice. You are completely twisting the what Herzl was actually saying about anti-Semitism and anti-Semites in order to make anti-Semitism some type of sin against the Holy Spirit that cannot be repented of or blotted out. Anti-Semitism is not something biological, it can learned and it can be un-learned. The thing is though that you have a metaphysical anti-anti-Semitism that it some ways, in fact in a lot of significant ways, mirrors the metaphysical anti-Semitism of Simone Weil (have you ever read her?) and Martin Heidegger (I have just ordered the so-called "Black Notebooks" as well as Elliot Wolfson's book on them). It is quite fascinating given that at least superficially it takes a secular form (fundamentally it is profoundly un-materialistic though while as Herzl's theories on anti-Semitism were profoundly materialistic).

    I think the problem is that it is rather Tadgh and I who have held a mirror up to you and you cannot accept what you see. You are living in serious denial about what you actually stand for. The thing is that rather than challenging Tadgh's anti-Semitic tendencies you have only succeeded in reinforcing them. Also by accusing all and sundry on here of anti-Semitism you are pushing others into anti-Semitism as well. You are extremely intelligent obviously though you rot your mind with a combination of trashy Zionist propaganda, various types of "fear porn" and psuedo-mystical occult mumbo-jumbo rather than reading serious books in order to cultivate your mind- this of course is one of the obvious and tragic effects of Zionism on your life. You would have a much more fulfilling existence if you would only give up the old Zionism. It should be clear to you that rather than warring on Irish Anti-Semitism effectively you are actually working to reinforce and to cause it. I am not sure that it is though just as is the case with Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism over in Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golah veNekhar View Post
    I don't think Tadgh is an anti-Semite as such, he does have tendencies at times towards anti-Semitism but I doubt he would let himself go there because his parents instilled in him a strong sense of rational justice. You are completely twisting the what Herzl was actually saying about anti-Semitism and anti-Semites in order to make anti-Semitism some type of sin against the Holy Spirit that cannot be repented of or blotted out. Anti-Semitism is not something biological, it can learned and it can be un-learned. The thing is though that you have a metaphysical anti-anti-Semitism that it some ways, in fact in a lot of significant ways, mirrors the metaphysical anti-Semitism of Simone Weil (have you ever read her?) and Martin Heidegger (I have just ordered the so-called "Black Notebooks" as well as Elliot Wolfson's book on them). It is quite fascinating given that at least superficially it takes a secular form (fundamentally it is profoundly un-materialistic though while as Herzl's theories on anti-Semitism were profoundly materialistic).

    I think the problem is that it is rather Tadgh and I who have held a mirror up to you and you cannot accept what you see. You are living in serious denial about what you actually stand for. The thing is that rather than challenging Tadgh's anti-Semitic tendencies you have only succeeded in reinforcing them. Also by accusing all and sundry on here of anti-Semitism you are pushing others into anti-Semitism as well. You are extremely intelligent obviously though you rot your mind with a combination of trashy Zionist propaganda, various types of "fear porn" and psuedo-mystical occult mumbo-jumbo rather than reading serious books in order to cultivate your mind- this of course is one of the obvious and tragic effects of Zionism on your life. You would have a much more fulfilling existence if you would only give up the old Zionism. It should be clear to you that rather than warring on Irish Anti-Semitism effectively you are actually working to reinforce and to cause it. I am not sure that it is though just as is the case with Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism over in Britain.
    I know, I know, you also think that Arafat wasn't an antisemite, or couldn't even be such as he is a balestinian Or abbas' doctoral dissertation that is pure holocaust denial is just a part of a larger research about insects and their influence on alleged humans.

    Well, ration, I think that since you still haven't shown the sources of your Zhabotinsky claims, you have a long way to go till someone would take your posts seriously.
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golah veNekhar View Post
    ... The thing is that rather than challenging Tadgh's anti-Semitic tendencies you have only succeeded in reinforcing them... You would have a much more fulfilling existence if you would only give up the old Zionism. It should be clear to you that rather than warring on Irish Anti-Semitism effectively you are actually working to reinforce and to cause it. I am not sure that it is though just as is the case with Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism over in Britain.
    Yeah, a bit like how wearing a miniskirt and thigh high boots reinforces and causes sexual assault. And how organising and articulating the case against mysoginistic and abusive, harmful sexual attitudes only invites more of the same. Isn't that just your logic though. I just need to give up those old "sluttish" ways of mine to earn the respect of these abusers, a respect that would make my life complete and fulfilled, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc_ View Post
    Antisemites like you and Tadhg and the rest of your cronies on politicalirish.com no doubt feel doubly vindictive when I hold a mirror in front of you.

    But as Herzl pointed out, you cannot change or "cure" an antisemite, you can only avoid them.

    Let me remind you my area of concern is Irish antisemitism. That is the war I involve myself with. The war against Irish antisemitism. And in that regard, yes, I think it better that you and your others speak your sentiment plainly, and transparently so that others can see you clearly, the better to understand that yes, there exists a problem, and yes, it is a serious one, that is a stain on the Irish people.
    If the Irish were going around building settlements and shooting demonstrators I think to be fair, we would not be surprised if there was a BDS campaign against us. There isnt because we don't behave like that. Israel's problems on BDS are of its own making.
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    Jews have been ethnically cleansed from Judea and Samaria. And then the Arabs tried to wipe us out from the Land of Israel.

    If the Irish were ethnically cleansed or...


    Wait a min. We are now commemorating a civil war that happened because of much less than these! We are now commemorating events that happened because the Irish did not agree on conceding land to others.

    Maybe BDSM is a good thing - it shows how fukked up irish leftistics really are.
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc_ View Post
    Yeah, a bit like how wearing a miniskirt and thigh high boots reinforces and causes sexual assault. And how organising and articulating the case against mysoginistic and abusive, harmful sexual attitudes only invites more of the same. Isn't that just your logic though. I just need to give up those old "sluttish" ways of mine to earn the respect of these abusers, a respect that would make my life complete and fulfilled, apparently.
    Two words "Kevin Myers". Do you honestly believe that they went unknowingly after him? That the leadership at least behaved as some impulsive Muslim or Protestant am ha'aretz would? That is before we get into everything about Jeremy Corbyn. Norman Finkelstein breaks that down here and explains why it is an incredibly dangerous game to be playing here:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/chime...tish-semitism/

    The thing is though that there were more anti-Semitic incidents in Britain last year than there have been since the late 1940s when Jewish terrorists were snuffing out the lives of not just British security personel but British civilian men, women and children for little more than reasons of "Jewish self-confidence" and impatience. Still he stands basically correct that notions of British anti-Semitism being something wide spread are essentially correct even now. Let us just remember that if actual anti-Semitism was a serious thing there is no way that the likes of the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism would be going after proud Jews such as Tony Greenstein and Jackie Walker for their opposition to Zionist brutality. Something else is going on.

    We have even got to the stage where the Judaeo-Nazis are now labeling Rabbi Daniel Boyarin an anti-Semite; so we have gotten to the point where people who are not only Modern Orthodox Rabbis and self-confessed Jewish ethno-nationalists, and he makes extremely clear in his very important book "A Radical Jew: Paul and the politics of identity" (I strongly recommend the book even if some of his conclusions I disagree with, it is a masterpiece) that he is a Jewish ethno-nationalist, because his Jewish ethno-nationalism is non Zionist which should not come as a shock given that there have been both Leftist forms of Jewish non-Zionist ethno-nationalism (the Bund most famously but there were others) as well as "Revolutionary Conservative" ones (do you know about Oskar Goldberg? Dr. Chaim Breisacher in Thomas Mann's novel "Doctor Faustus" is modeled on him, he was a really fascinating thinker), and on top of that condemns Zionism for being the ethical disaster that it has been. If a Modern Orthodox Rabbi can be condemned as being "anti-Semitic" on such filmsy grounds that tells you that these characters are not concerned about anti-Semitism so much as about the de-legitimatization of the Zionist colonial project.

    Peter Beinart who is a Zionist and also a Modern Orthodox Religious Jew has expressed very serious concern that Zionism as it is working itself out is going to bring the entire Jewish tradition into disrepute. His reaction to this concern is to campaign for the reform of Zionism and an end to the sadistic treatment of the indigenous population through out Eretz Israel. The reaction of the Jonathan Sackses of this world to the current situation is to have in effect all criticism of Zionism apart from the most tame labeled as being "anti-Semitic" and so illegitimate. Such a strategy is actually more than anything else likely to bring Peter Beinart's fears to pass.

    Meanwhile back in Eretz Israel:

    https://972mag.com/balata-refugee-ca...ng-ycc/140071/

    One of the major problems that has become apparent with you is despite your obvious native intelligence you have clearly stopped cultivating your mind upon leaving University and so have fallen into thinking along extremely simplistic lines.
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    The number of terrorist attacks against Israelis dropped by 75 percent last month over November, but it was also the deadliest month since March with three people killed. The downturn in attacks was mostly due to Hamas inactivity along the border with Gaza, the Israel Security Agency said in its monthly report. In December, the agency documented 155 attacks compared to a two-year high of 645 attacks in November. Last month’s tally was the lowest since March 2018. Hostilities nearly ceased along the border with Gaza, with only 17 such incidents compared to 529 in November. Along with the three fatalities, 14 people were wounded in December. The number of attacks in the West Bank rose by 11 percent to 118 and the number of attacks in Jerusalem doubled, reaching 20.



    january terrorist attacks
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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