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    Default The ongoing, unresolved border dispute between Ireland and the UK?

    I never knew there was an ongoing border dispute until yesterday! But it seems there is, maybe The Troubles aren't over just yet.....Well, it seems that when we gave up our territorial claim on the North that the British didn't reciprocate by giving up their territorial claims to all of Lough Foyle and all of Carlingford Lough. To this day the British lay claim to every inch (cubic bubble or whatever the water term is) of Lough Foyle and Carlingford Lough right upto the shorelines of counties Donegal and Louth. Now I don't expect Royal Marines are planning to form beacheads in Moville and Carlingford any time soon but Brits being Brits you never really can tell.

    In 2009 the British Foreign Office said "The UK position is that the whole of Lough Foyle is within the UK. We recognise that the Irish Government does not accept this position."

    So, just how fair was it that we gave up our claim on the North yet the British, god bless their little imperialist souls, never gave up their claim to our territorial waters? What about a quid pro quo?

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    the only relevant 'borders' question, is the unrestricted flow of third world migrants into northern europe. Something you multicultural shinners seem to encourage
    How about gender-balance in immigration into ireland ? Is it currently 40 blokes arriving for every 1 woman arriving on these shores ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanla sighs View Post
    i never knew there was an ongoing border dispute until yesterday! But it seems there is, maybe the troubles aren't over just yet.....well, it seems that when we gave up our territorial claim on the north that the british didn't reciprocate by giving up their territorial claims to all of lough foyle and all of carlingford lough. To this day the british lay claim to every inch (cubic bubble or whatever the water term is) of lough foyle and carlingford lough right upto the shorelines of counties donegal and louth. Now i don't expect royal marines are planning to form beacheads in moville and carlingford any time soon but brits being brits you never really can tell.

    In 2009 the british foreign office said "the uk position is that the whole of lough foyle is within the uk. We recognise that the irish government does not accept this position."

    so, just how fair was it that we gave up our claim on the north yet the british, god bless their little imperialist souls, never gave up their claim to our territorial waters? What about a quid pro quo?

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    If you edit your post to remove the racist overtones, it might be worth reading

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit Of Newgrange View Post
    the only relevant 'borders' question, is the unrestricted flow of third world migrants into northern europe. Something you multicultural shinners seem to encourage
    Oh yeah, everyone who votes McGuinness is a SF'er, lol Pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakka View Post
    If you edit your post to remove the racist overtones, it might be worth reading
    Racist overtones? Hmmm, you mean calling the British imperialists? Well, that's a simple truth, the British establishment is imperialist. Perhaps I should have added the word "establishment"
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    While a reasonable solution could be sought its NI
    do you really want the orange order in boats?
    Unless there's some pressing reason to sort this out leave it be.
    Enough stupid people would start an argument over this its a garden fence style dispute.
    the having the border run through the centre seems to have been ignored because that would have made it impossible for the Royal Navy to use in ww2 consider somebody has started an argument over where the rubble of a police station was used.
    Giving into territorial demands of the south can't even see SF wanting to deal with that level of stupid.
    have you met a loyalist Suggesting they really should become part of a united ireland would be like suggesting a space marine has sweaty man sex with an an Orc.

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    Could be a nuclear waste issue too. I understand that area of Ireland's coastline has high cancer rates possibly due to the stuff from Sellafield going into the Irish Sea.

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    Don't forget that under the Treaty, Fort Dunree in Donegal remained part of the United Kingdom (in roughly the same way Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus remain under U.K. rule, today). In 1938 the U.K. and Ireland agreed the transfer of Fort Dunree and the other two bases. There was no agreement on the transfer of the sea area. However as the other two are on the West Coast, there is no dispute.

    HOWEVER there's a far more interesting if mainly, for now, academic debate. When we changed Article 3 as part of the Belfast Agreement, we put in this content "...the laws enacted by the Parliament established by this Constitution shall have the like area and extent of application as the laws enacted by the Parliament that existed immediately before the coming into operation of this Constitution."

    What that did was to essentially put the territory of the state back to that which existed in 1937, BEFORE the Treaty Ports were transferred. This means that any laws passed by the Oireachtas since 1998 can (and probably will eventually) be challenged as they specifically don't apply the the area of the Treaty Ports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Where's Waldo? View Post
    The borders of Ireland are her coastline.

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