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Thread: Social Justice Budget: What's wrong with it?

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    Default Social Justice Budget: What's wrong with it?

    Social Justice Ireland have an ‘Alternative Budget’ that purportedly saves €3.6billion without hitting the poorest sections of society. Source.

    The key points of the Alternative Budget were:

    A new 2.5 per cent tax on corporate profits.

    “Income-contingent loans” which would enable students to borrow money for university fees and living costs.

    A “text tax” of one-third of 1c (€0.0033) on every SMS, which the organisation estimates would provide €40million in revenue.

    €10million savings on government legal bills.

    Two per cent tax on salt, alcohol, sugar and saturated fats.

    “Part-time job opportunity programme” to provide paid part-time jobs to 100,000 of the long-term unemployed.

    Increased funding for primary education and adult literacy.

    New €1billion capital investment programme to boost the economy.

    In a statement, Social Justice Ireland said:

    These proposals provide an integrated, coherent approach to building a fairer future that is both achievable and desirable. They are fiscally responsible. They protect Ireland’s poorest and most vulnerable people. They also seek to develop great! er fairness in the tax system and in Ireland’s response to its present series of crises.

    So how realistic, workable or popular would such a budget be? I don't see anything I object to in it but I'm not an economist so I don't know how workable or realistic these proposals might be.
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    "Two per cent tax on salt, alcohol, sugar and saturated fats."

    And they say they don't want to hit the poorest sections of society.........LOL

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    “Part-time job opportunity programme” to provide paid part-time jobs to 100,000 of the long-term unemployed.

    Where ?
    Any details as to how it would work.

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    "A new 2.5 per cent tax on corporate profits"


    Do they not listen to debate ?

    Here is a better idea - A 40% corporate tax on supermarket profits.

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    2.5% corporate profit tax. Sounds like a wonderful way of driving multi-nationals out of the country. This particular proposal seems one of the ways they want to pay for INCREASED social welfare spending. That baldy old priest who heads the orginisation would seriously want to take his head out of his ass.
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    Father Sean Healy.

    Social welfare will and must be cut.

    We should also encourage people into work by cutting USC.

    We must tackle black economy immediately. €18 billion presently. All landlords should be persued for starters.

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    As nonpartyboy wrote above, taxes on texts/salt/alcohol/sugar/saturated fats will hit the poorest in society much more than the rich.

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    We will have to increase social welfare again then. Was that the plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonpartyboy View Post
    "Two per cent tax on salt, alcohol, sugar and saturated fats."

    And they say they don't want to hit the poorest sections of society.........LOL
    I see your point but alcohol aside will it not in fact give incentive to the food industry to reduce these items from their produce?
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    Quote Originally Posted by corelli View Post
    2.5% corporate profit tax. Sounds like a wonderful way of driving multi-nationals out of the country.
    We're the fourth most business friendly nation on planet Earth apparently. So long as they can still pull their dodgy double Irish accounting practices they'd still be getting away with paying far less tax than if they stayed at home or went elsewhere in Europe I think.
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