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    Default Churchill's Alliance with the Genodical Murderer, Stalin

    Stalin, one of recorded history's worst mass murderers, was part of the alliance that defeated Nazi Germany and the other Axis powers.

    It has been claimed that WWII began in order to defeat tyranny and, more specifically, to defend the freedom of Poland after its invasion in 1939.

    However, Poland was invaded by two powers in 1939 - Germany and the Soviet Union.

    The leaders of those states, Hitler and Stalin, had formed an alliance, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, in which they agreed to divide Poland.

    Since Polish freedom was one of the stated reasons for France and the UK declaring war on Germany, then why didn't they also declare war on the other state that invaded Poland in 1939, the Soviet Union?

    Since the fight against tyranny was one of the stated reasons for going to war against the Nazis, then why did the western Allies form an alliance with Stalin, one of the greatest tyrants of his age?

    Why did the western Allies, Churchill in particular, agree to the carve-up of Europe, why did they allow a tyrannical régime to take control over much of Eastern and Central Europe (including Poland) and why did they send Soviet POWS back to the Soviet Union to be murdered by Stalin?

    Are claims that the western Allies fought for the freedom of Poland and against tyranny merely shallow rhetoric to disguise the fact that they fought for their own interests?

    And what does Churchill's good personal relationship with Stalin (both pictured below) say about his personal character and the nature of the state he led during WWII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sondagefaux View Post
    Stalin, one of recorded history's worst mass murderers, was part of the alliance that defeated Nazi Germany and the other Axis powers.

    It has been claimed that WWII began in order to defeat tyranny and, more specifically, to defend the freedom of Poland after its invasion in 1939.

    However, Poland was invaded by two powers in 1939 - Germany and the Soviet Union.

    The leaders of those states, Hitler and Stalin, had formed an alliance, known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, in which they agreed to divide Poland.

    Since Polish freedom was one of the stated reasons for France and the UK declaring war on Germany, then why didn't they also declare war on the other state that invaded Poland in 1939, the Soviet Union?

    Since the fight against tyranny was one of the stated reasons for going to war against the Nazis, then why did the western Allies form an alliance with Stalin, one of the greatest tyrants of his age?

    Why did the western Allies, Churchill in particular, agree to the carve-up of Europe, why did they allow a tyrannical régime to take control over much of Eastern and Central Europe (including Poland) and why did they send Soviet POWS back to the Soviet Union to be murdered by Stalin?

    Are claims that the western Allies fought for the freedom of Poland and against tyranny merely shallow rhetoric to disguise the fact that they fought for their own interests?

    And what does Churchill's good personal relationship with Stalin (both pictured below) say about his personal character and the nature of the state he led during WWII?



    Because Britain had to keep the USSR sweet, if it had declared war on both Germany and Russia it would have been destroyed brainiac.

    Your allies are not always your friends. Britains biggest threat at the time was from Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspherical123 View Post
    Because Britain had to keep the USSR sweet, if it had declared war on both Germany and Russia it would have been destroyed brainiac.

    Youre allies are not always your friends.
    So it was not a war on tyranny or for the freedom of Poland, but a war to protect Britain's interests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspherical123 View Post
    Because Britain had to keep the USSR sweet, if it had declared war on both Germany and Russia it would have been destroyed brainiac.

    Your allies are not always your friends. Britains biggest thread at the time was from Germany.
    Several questions were posed in the [well-thought out] OP.
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    Are claims that the western Allies fought for the freedom of Poland and against tyranny merely shallow rhetoric to disguise the fact that they fought for their own interests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sondagefaux View Post
    So it was not a war on tyranny or for the freedom of Poland, but a war to protect Britain's interests?
    d'uh!

    This is the real world. Things are seldom black and white. It's sad but true.

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    Hypocrisy exposed. Just to highlight it: They declared war over the occupation of 50% of Poland. By the wars end, Poland was under 100% occupation by the USSR. Not only did they do nothing about it, they facilitated it. This exposes the agenda of not the protection of Poland but the destruction of Germany.

    Its simple, Britain, and to a lesser extent, France - got sour grapes over an emerging Continental competitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sondagefaux View Post
    So it was not a war on tyranny or for the freedom of Poland, but a war to protect Britain's interests?

    All wars are for a nations intrests, that common sense, Germany was intent on invading western Europe, so it was a war for freedom over totalitarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midulster View Post
    Hypocrisy exposed. Just to highlight it: They declared war over the occupation of 50% of Poland. By the wars end, Poland was under 100% occupation by the USSR. Not only did they do nothing about it, they facilitated it. This exposes the agenda of not the protection of Poland but the destruction of Germany.

    Its simple, Britain, and to a lesser extent, France - got sour grapes over an emerging Continental competitor.


    Oh dear another brainiac, the USSR did not pose the same threat, nor did GB had the resourses to take on both nations.

    Germany was its biggest threat, you deal with your biggest threat first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspherical123 View Post
    All wars are for a nations intrests, that common sense, Germany was intent on invading western Europe, so it was a war for freedom over totalitarianism.
    There is no evidence to suggest that was the case at all. In fact, in the war between Germany and France, France struck first - France entered German territory (Lower Saarland) before the Germans even acted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspherical123 View Post
    Oh dear another brainiac, the USSR did not pose the same threat, nor did GB had the resourses to take on both nations.

    Germany was its biggest threat, you deal with your biggest threat first.
    The USSR dwarfed not only Germany but all European Nations combined. They output more tanks in 1 month, in 1 factory, than Germany did in a year. This crass revisionism is disgusting.

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