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    Default Giiap- Vietnamese Michael Collins is 100

    Viet legend Giap heads towards 100 - World News, Breaking News - Independent.ie

    Vo Nguyen Giap - Biography of Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap Biography

    I am still awaiting the Hollywood blockbuster on his life - he is vietnams michael coliins- happy birthday
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    It's offensive to Giap to compare him to small minded catholic conservative like Collins.

    Giap was a great liberator. He beat the French imperialists soundly at Dien Bien Phu only for the Yankee dogs to invade Vietnam and continue the war needlessly for another decade.

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    Fair play to him. I did not know he was still alive. Probably the greatest military leader of all time. I would say there will be a long wait for a Hollywood blockbuster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nano Nagle View Post
    It's offensive to Giap to compare him to small minded catholic conservative like Collins.

    Giap was a great liberator. He beat the French imperialists soundly at Dien Bien Phu only for the Yankee dogs to invade Vietnam and continue the war needlessly for another decade.
    i was referring to the success of their military campaigns not your perceived idealogical differences -both helped liberate their homelands from colonial powers and as a result fought in a subsequent , probably unnecessary civil war
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    Quote Originally Posted by mido View Post
    i was referring to the success of their military campaigns not your perceived idealogical differences -both helped liberate their homelands from colonial powers and as a result fought in a subsequent , probably unnecessary civil war
    Michael Collins did not help liberate Ireland. He actively participated in a war to keep Ireland part of the British empire and to partition the country.

    And there was no civil war in Vietnam. Only the Vietnamese people against the Americans and their puppets. The vast majority of Vietnamese people always supported a united, independent and socialist Vietnam.

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    I used to be out there in the late '60's and '70's Ho-Ho -H0 Chi Minning with the best of them A right revolutionary was I. Then I grew up. I did a lot of growing up when I read of the mass killings, the torture of villagers, the taking of hostages around the time of elections to have them sent back minus a hand or two, the chaining of VC to their munitions on the Ho Chi Minh Trail so they couldn't escape. And so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nano Nagle View Post
    Michael Collins did not help liberate Ireland. He actively participated in a war to keep Ireland part of the British empire and to partition the country.

    No the people voted to accept the treaty - what have you got against democracy?

    And there was no civil war in Vietnam. Only the Vietnamese people against the Americans and their puppets. The vast majority of Vietnamese people always supported a united, independent and socialist Vietnam.
    and prey tell how many of our unionist brothers in the north would fall into the "puppets"category
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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    I used to be out there in the late '60's and '70's Ho-Ho -H0 Chi Minning with the best of them A right revolutionary was I. Then I grew up. I did a lot of growing up when I read of the mass killings, the torture of villagers, the taking of hostages around the time of elections to have them sent back minus a hand or two, the chaining of VC to their munitions on the Ho Chi Minh Trail so they couldn't escape. And so on.
    Most likely you were being consensually rogered by your bishop in the late 60s.

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    and prey tell how many of our unionist brothers in the north would fall into the "puppets"category
    Hardly the same thing. They consider themselves British and in many ways are British. Some Vietnamese landlords on the CIA pay book cannot be compared with working class northern Irish unionists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    I used to be out there in the late '60's and '70's Ho-Ho -H0 Chi Minning with the best of them A right revolutionary was I. Then I grew up. I did a lot of growing up when I read of the mass killings, the torture of villagers, the taking of hostages around the time of elections to have them sent back minus a hand or two, the chaining of VC to their munitions on the Ho Chi Minh Trail so they couldn't escape. And so on.
    such things were fairly standard practice here also in old and recent conflicts . indeed this gentleman a few years earlier did similar Francis Marion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. there has been no war fought yet that has been clean and unsullied by acts of barbarity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nano Nagle View Post



    Hardly the same thing. They consider themselves British and in many ways are British. Some Vietnamese landlords on the CIA pay book cannot be compared with working class northern Irish unionists.
    and prey tell how the country would have been unified by collins and avoided partition without their consent?
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