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    NATO are denying that the attack they conducted south of Tripoli was a civilian target and maintain that it was a "staging area" for Gadaffi forces. Whatever staging area is supposed to mean exactly, I've no idea, but looking at the report this morning on BBC News the evidence seems to point on this being an innocent location. The images showed toys and school books in the rubble and BBC reporters were shown dozens of bodies. The fact that many were "young men of fighting age" was almost touted as evidence of something sinister but there were also many women and children casualties. While both sides will twist the facts of the story for their own benefit it does appear that this is another reckless NATO attack with unjustifiable consequences.

    The SP and CWI position on No to NATO intervention is and was completely justified on the evidence this horrific attack alone. NATO cannot be trusted to conduct such exercises as they are clearly incapable of doing so without massive and inexcusable loss of civilian lives.

    Furthermore they have actually done great damage to the revolutionary movements within Libya as the attacks have generated por-Gadaffi sentiment in the face of the NATO attacks as the Libyan people rally behind the existing leader against what they see, perhaps understandably, as a greater evil. They are further away from taking out Gadaffi before NATO intervention and there is no NATO plan or solution to the Gadaffi problem in sight. NATO's actions have in fact, strengthened Gadaffi's hand.

    I find it extraordinary that the SP came under heavy criticism for opposing the intervention, the basis of which seemed to be that the rebels would benefit from the NATO airstrikes. Well clearly they haven't.
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    When are people every going to cop on. NATO can kill anyone they want its called Collateral damage. Melted children is not in the press conference thesaurus. I think its been reduced to $3500 a head now from the dizzy heights of $4000 for your loved ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fontenoy View Post
    When are people every going to cop on. NATO can kill anyone they want its called Collateral damage. Melted children is not in the press conference thesaurus. I think its been reduced to $3500 a head now from the dizzy heights of $4000 for your loved ones.
    Dirty,cowardly scumbags.
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    Sickening. If it was the other way around the outrage and media attention would be immense (and rightly so), but when the wind is in this direction even the so called "liberal" publications like the New York Times refer it to as "just" a mistake.

    Here's a good insight into the real reason behind the attacks.

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    Obama and Nato got involved in Libya when it seemed the Rebels were a matter of weeks away from gaining power. Obama would have gained influence over another oil rich country and appeared strong at home against 'tyranny'. Now they are involved in yet another expensive half-hearted protracted war at a time when the US is financially screwed.

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    The "war" in Libya is bizarre beyond belief , and Britains and Frances decision to support the rebels even more bizarre, the US
    is standing on the sidelines ( making a fortune selling missiles to the UK and France) , Little is known about the people the UK and France is supporting, and the whole operation seems doomed to failure (or worse, low level stalemated civil war for decades )
    Given the raft of dictatorships in the region the Uks and Frances decision to choose this particular fight is incomprehensible ,expensive and probably unwinnable......... Seems born less from policy than the egos of Sarkozy and Cameroon to relight the ever present dreams of faded and past glories ......... shades of Suez for a new millennium ...will they ever learn

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    Massive jumping to conclusions here.

    First the BBC haven't seen any evidence that 85 Civilians were killed. That was just a claim from the Libyan government and of course they aren't neutral. It's in their interest to lie about these things as they want to get the reaction in the West that we see in this thread.

    The BBC have seen evidence of 30 Bodybags, only half of which were opened and all but three contained men of fighting age. Quite simply it's impossible to know how any of them were killed. They could have been Gaddafi's soldiers, they could have been civilians or they could have been basically anyone who was moved there.

    If 85 people were killed, including 33 children, 32 women and 20 men, them I'm sure Gaffafi would have shown the press evidence of that. The fact that he doesn't strongly suggests that he's lieing.

    Quite simply we don't have a clue what happens, but for very obvious reasons I'd be very slow to believe Gaffadi. The lack of evidence to support his argument, suggest that Gaffadi is lieing, but that's about all we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Massive jumping to conclusions here.

    First the BBC haven't seen any evidence that 85 Civilians were killed. That was just a claim from the Libyan government and of course they aren't neutral. It's in their interest to lie about these things as they want to get the react in the West that we see in this thread.

    The BBC have seen evidence of 30 Bodybags, only half of which were opened and all but three contained men of fighting age. Quite simply it's impossible to know how any of them were killed. They could have been Gaddafi's soldiers, they could have been civilians or they could have been basically anyone who was moved there.

    If 85 people were killed, including 33 children, 32 women and 20 men, them I'm sure Gaffafi would have shown the press evidence of that. The fact that he doesn't strongly suggests that he's lieing.

    Quite simply we don't have a clue what happens, but for very obvious reasons I'd be very slow to believe Gaffadi. The lack of evidence to support his argument, suggest that Gaffadi is lieing, but that's about all we have.
    Typical of a blueshirt to act as an apolagaist for NATO barbarism. Obviously all Libyan men "of fighting age" deserve to be bombed

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    Outrage.

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    People, people, cam down. This is not murder, this is not indiscriminate bombing, these are surgical strikes that designed to precisely hit their target and they have done just that. The good guys have done another good day's work. It's a blow for freedom. And if people have died, well relax folks, it's just TV and they are, far, far away. No need to worry yourself over stuff like this.

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