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    Speaking as a Labour supporter, Labour and Fine Gael are loopy not to even accept out of government support from Sinn Fein. FF have already laid the groundwork in saying that they can't stop people voting for them. This is an opportunity to get FF out of government and they're throwing it all away (in PD speak ).

    They could have got general agreement in policy directions without anything specific.
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    do you really want a government that is dependant on SF support?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbob1972
    do you really want a government that is dependant on SF support?
    SF "hands off" support for a Rainbow Government OR a Bertie Bung corrupt government ?


    hmmm.....I'll have to get back to you on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbob1972
    do you really want a government that is dependant on SF support?

    I could cope with a government requiring the support of Ferris, Morgan, O'Snodaigh and O'Caolain - but it'd have to be those four effectively operating as an autonomous group. For all that Adams is party president, and McGuinness is whatever he is, the fact is that neither is elected to public office in the Republic, and the four TDs couldn't be going to him seeking approval on everything every other week. Plus, if the SF parliamentary party was actually formed as such, it might be possible to thus draw a distinction between it and the broader SF movement that effectively contains the IRA as well. And that would make it a lot easier for FG members to support it.
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    While I don't think Sinn Féin should for one second contemplate a coalition or unwritten deal at this juncture, I have to say it is a disgrace the way the other parties have dealt with them, almost treating Sinn Féin as the untouchables.

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    The SF option of supporting a government but not in it is tempting but probably too dangerous for the alternative coalition parties. The electorate has a way of punishing smaller parties for decisions it does not like. If would be difficult for these parties to go back to the people in an election that was caused by SF withdrawing support. SF will eventually be in government but probably with FF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seánod
    While I don't think Sinn Féin should for one second contemplate a coalition or unwritten deal at this juncture, I have to say it is a disgrace the way the other parties have dealt with them, almost treating Sinn Féin as the untouchables.
    I actually agree with you on that score. At least show them how the system works and do them the courtesy of having a chat. I guarantee that in 5 years time, they will all be talking to each other. At the very least if paisley can go into govt with Adams, we can at least talk to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    The SF option of supporting a government but not in it is tempting but probably too dangerous for the alternative coalition parties. The electorate has a way of punishing smaller parties for decisions it does not like. If would be difficult for these parties to go back to the people in an election that was caused by SF withdrawing support. SF will eventually be in government but probably with FF.
    But adopting that attitude, it means Ahern is going into government (unless Mahon saves the day). And worse, Harney will complete the co-location/public contracts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbob1972
    do you really want a government that is dependant on SF support?

    I could cope with a government requiring the support of Ferris, Morgan, O'Snodaigh and O'Caolain - but it'd have to be those four effectively operating as an autonomous group. For all that Adams is party president, and McGuinness is whatever he is, the fact is that neither is elected to public office in the Republic, and the four TDs couldn't be going to him seeking approval on everything every other week. Plus, if the SF parliamentary party was actually formed as such, it might be possible to thus draw a distinction between it and the broader SF movement that effectively contains the IRA as well. And that would make it a lot easier for FG members to support it.
    now what do you think the odds of that being the 4 mentioned above are SF members and proud of same, they would not function as independants but as SF representatives in the Dail, as to whether they'd make decisions on their own or differ to SF HQ what do you think ? it would in effect be Adam's and McGuiness using them as proxies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movealong
    Speaking as a Labour supporter, Labour and Fine Gael are loopy not to even accept out of government support from Sinn Fein. FF have already laid the groundwork in saying that they can't stop people voting for them. This is an opportunity to get FF out of government and they're throwing it all away (in PD speak ).

    They could have got general agreement in policy directions without anything specific.
    I note your signature is "A vote for FF is a vote for FF/SF govt".
    Did you actually mean "A vote for the Alliance of Losers is a vote for SF govt"?
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