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Thread: The transmogrification of Fine Gael

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    Last edited by Dolores Ibárruri; 3rd January 2013 at 02:13 AM.

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    You don't mean this kind of Transmogrifier, right?


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    When did this site become a 'care in the community' resource?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolores Ibárruri View Post
    No. Not surrreal enough.

    Try Richard Hamilton's work.

    I will confess that I found Noonan quite surreal on the news last night.
    Let us consider the Serapeum of Alexandria.

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    Why are you surprised?

    That is what they aspired to be in the 1980s under Garret and what they were in 1994-97 under Bruton.

    If this government succeeds in transforming the mess FF and the PDs have made of this country into a European social democrat model where people earn a fair level of wages and pay a fair level of taxes in return for guaranteed level of public services in health, education, social care, transport and housing, then this could prove to be a great government.

    We need to move away from the short-term, cute-hoor, quick-buck, gombeen, every-man-for-himself FF-PD attitude to a more responsible society that puts the long-term good and economic and social sustainability of the entire nation before all else.

    But that is a very big IF - because it needs a government with the courage to lead and implement in the short-term tough policies that will hurt everyone over the coming years, but also possess the ability and will convince people that it will be in the long-term interests of all.

    I think there are some in FG and Labour who understand this - and hope they will convince their colleagues and stick with task despite the opposition from all sides.

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    What did big Mick say on the news yesterday?
    “Good government is no substitute for self-government”
    - Mahatma Gandhi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republican-Socialist View Post
    What did big Mick say on the news yesterday?
    It wasn't what he said, something about burning bondholders, it was how he was. Sardonic is almost the right word.
    Let us consider the Serapeum of Alexandria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolores Ibárruri View Post
    Fine Gael has emerged as a more left-wing entity than seemed possible before the election.
    Please explain...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolores Ibárruri View Post
    They were doing my head in before the election - all you could see was Varadkar. It didn't look promising.
    Too many people looked at Varadkar as if he personfied FG - and overlooked the likes of Kenny, Noonan, Reilly, Fitzgerald, Hogan and Burton who are natural social democrats. None of them are the rabid, right-wing ideologues that some of the loonier lefties here on P.ie paint them as.

    Much the same can be said about Labour. People focussed too much on Gilmore - a spoofer of the Most High Order of The Bert - but failed to listen to the wiser old heads of Quinn, Rabbitte and Howlin who time and again rode to their leader's rescue. And now in govt, it is that troika, now joined by Joan Burton, who are pushing govt policy and singing from the same hymnsheet as their like-minded FG colleagues.

    Leo is too infected with the over-exuberance of youth and tends to think out loud or engage mouth before brain - he will calm down and slow down with experience and may yet become a great politician and statesman. Cabinet at this stage may be the making of the man - or it could break his career. Only time will tell.

    Five years of this govt of wise, experienced old heads with a fair degree of ability, individual and collective - and with a bit of luck on their side and a fair wind behind them - could yet put us on the right track to recovery as an economy and society.

    We should at least give them time to try - rather than simply dismissing them as failures after 100 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolores Ibárruri View Post
    They were doing my head in before the election - all you could see was Varadkar. It didn't look promising.
    No harm there then!

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