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    YouTube begins removing al-Qaeda videos - Telegraph
    YouTube has begun removing al-Qaeda videos from its website after the British Government contacted the White House to complain about the material.
    I don't agree with this, so long as they identify themselves as Islamobarbarians they should be allowed to say what they want

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    How do they decide what an Al-Qaeda video is? Do they have those little logos on the bottom right hand corner of the screen (Al-Qaeda corporation)? I think not and if not then the bans will be sweeping and discretionary and influenced by the US/UK leadership and therefore censorship true and plain... Just as Wikileaks is struggling to break stories to the world about what they are doing and the leader appears to be 'hunted' to a degree (a FOX media person called for him to be treated like an illegal combatant recently.... actually obliquely suggesting that Assange is Al Qaeda) so the security services of those countries will take an interest in controlling other material too, now all they have to do is say something there is by Al-Qaeda and it disappears.

    The advantage which a terrorist group has - namely it's amorphous and clandestine nature - has been skillfully turned into a disadvantage by the US and UK, because we cannot define it or it's membership or it's goals all of these can be defined for it by the West and the label of Al Qaeda can be applied anywhere or to anything. Effectively, as far as we in the West are concerned 'who is al-Qaeda' is a question only ever answered by US/UK intel agencies - given that Al-Qaeda is like a kind of demon (one which invites paranoia and intense hostility) it has given these definitively untrustworthy and shadowy organisations great power and influence, far from taking down such videos i always suspected those organisations of being behind them, the BBC made an excellent program a few years ago called 'the power of nightmares' which explored the frightening power that the existence of groups like Al-Qaeda gives to sinister forces in Western Governments...

    It's like a two party state such as America - the 'centre' is defined as being between them, so if you want to make the centre (which represents a perception of what is rational) to make it more extreme - you move both poles.. The US/UK Govts are one pole - Al Qaeda is the other, but as i said above the US/UK now have the power to define what is Al-Qaeda and what it has done - so they can move it and then themselves (ostensibly in 'response') to redefine what is 'moderate', what is 'centre' and make the world security obsessed, paranoid with a surveillance culture and limitations of civil rights and foreign policy wars going on everywhere. To me Al-Qaeda is like one of those paper gun targets that pops up everywhere beside something that the US/UK Govts can not legitimately attack but want to, the target nearby is destroyed but of course Al-Qaeda itself lives to fight another day, Youtube videos not really 'Al-Qaeda' could be one such real target.

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    YouTube/Google is ran out of Herzliya, the same surburb of Tel Aviv that Mossad is HQed. They constantly remove videos that point to mossad involvement in 9/11, 7/7, 3/11 Madrid etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thranduil View Post
    How do they decide what an Al-Qaeda video is? Do they have those little logos on the bottom right hand corner of the screen (Al-Qaeda corporation)? I think not and if not then the bans will be sweeping and discretionary and influenced by the US/UK leadership and therefore censorship true and plain... Just as Wikileaks is struggling to break stories to the world about what they are doing and the leader appears to be 'hunted' to a degree (a FOX media person called for him to be treated like an illegal combatant recently.... actually obliquely suggesting that Assange is Al Qaeda) so the security services of those countries will take an interest in controlling other material too, now all they have to do is say something there is by Al-Qaeda and it disappears.

    The advantage which a terrorist group has - namely it's amorphous and clandestine nature - has been skillfully turned into a disadvantage by the US and UK, because we cannot define it or it's membership or it's goals all of these can be defined for it by the West and the label of Al Qaeda can be applied anywhere or to anything. Effectively, as far as we in the West are concerned 'who is al-Qaeda' is a question only ever answered by US/UK intel agencies - given that Al-Qaeda is like a kind of demon (one which invites paranoia and intense hostility) it has given these definitively untrustworthy and shadowy organisations great power and influence, far from taking down such videos i always suspected those organisations of being behind them, the BBC made an excellent program a few years ago called 'the power of nightmares' which explored the frightening power that the existence of groups like Al-Qaeda gives to sinister forces in Western Governments...

    It's like a two party state such as America - the 'centre' is defined as being between them, so if you want to make the centre (which represents a perception of what is rational) to make it more extreme - you move both poles.. The US/UK Govts are one pole - Al Qaeda is the other, but as i said above the US/UK now have the power to define what is Al-Qaeda and what it has done - so they can move it and then themselves (ostensibly in 'response') to redefine what is 'moderate', what is 'centre' and make the world security obsessed, paranoid with a surveillance culture and limitations of civil rights and foreign policy wars going on everywhere. To me Al-Qaeda is like one of those paper gun targets that pops up everywhere beside something that the US/UK Govts can not legitimately attack but want to, the target nearby is destroyed but of course Al-Qaeda itself lives to fight another day, Youtube videos not really 'Al-Qaeda' could be one such real target.
    Al-Qaeda have used Youtube in the past to post videos showing the beheading of people they kidnapped and their bomb attacks against American and British soldiers.
    There is a war for civilisation democracy you idiot.
    These Islamofascist scumbags shouldn't be given a platform to spread their hate and terror.

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    Good let the Al Qaeda camel humpers found their own site

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thranduil View Post
    How do they decide what an Al-Qaeda video is? Do they have those little logos on the bottom right hand corner of the screen (Al-Qaeda corporation)? I think not and if not then the bans will be sweeping and discretionary and influenced by the US/UK leadership and therefore censorship true and plain... Just as Wikileaks is struggling to break stories to the world about what they are doing and the leader appears to be 'hunted' to a degree (a FOX media person called for him to be treated like an illegal combatant recently.... actually obliquely suggesting that Assange is Al Qaeda) so the security services of those countries will take an interest in controlling other material too, now all they have to do is say something there is by Al-Qaeda and it disappears.

    The advantage which a terrorist group has - namely it's amorphous and clandestine nature - has been skillfully turned into a disadvantage by the US and UK, because we cannot define it or it's membership or it's goals all of these can be defined for it by the West and the label of Al Qaeda can be applied anywhere or to anything. Effectively, as far as we in the West are concerned 'who is al-Qaeda' is a question only ever answered by US/UK intel agencies - given that Al-Qaeda is like a kind of demon (one which invites paranoia and intense hostility) it has given these definitively untrustworthy and shadowy organisations great power and influence, far from taking down such videos i always suspected those organisations of being behind them, the BBC made an excellent program a few years ago called 'the power of nightmares' which explored the frightening power that the existence of groups like Al-Qaeda gives to sinister forces in Western Governments...

    It's like a two party state such as America - the 'centre' is defined as being between them, so if you want to make the centre (which represents a perception of what is rational) to make it more extreme - you move both poles.. The US/UK Govts are one pole - Al Qaeda is the other, but as i said above the US/UK now have the power to define what is Al-Qaeda and what it has done - so they can move it and then themselves (ostensibly in 'response') to redefine what is 'moderate', what is 'centre' and make the world security obsessed, paranoid with a surveillance culture and limitations of civil rights and foreign policy wars going on everywhere. To me Al-Qaeda is like one of those paper gun targets that pops up everywhere beside something that the US/UK Govts can not legitimately attack but want to, the target nearby is destroyed but of course Al-Qaeda itself lives to fight another day, Youtube videos not really 'Al-Qaeda' could be one such real target.
    +1 Excellent and inciteful post.
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    inciteful post.
    Or even insightful.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    YouTube begins removing al-Qaeda videos - Telegraph


    I don't agree with this, so long as they identify themselves as Islamobarbarians they should be allowed to say what they want

    cYp
    Seriously cyberianpan, I thought you bleeding heart liberals would be too busy defending child killer rights or defending the right of paedophiles to have access to pornography in prison. Those videos preach hatred, intolerance and violence. But because they are not Catholics or Christians and are Muslims and thus a minority in the west we should protect their minority rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redtoothclaw View Post
    Al-Qaeda have used Youtube in the past to post videos showing the beheading of people they kidnapped and their bomb attacks against American and British soldiers.
    There is a war for civilisation democracy you idiot.
    These Islamofascist scumbags shouldn't be given a platform to spread their hate and terror.

    Yes it pathetic really that you find that sort of behaviour. Al-Qaeda preaches hatred against Jews and Christians. But as they as no Catholics or Christians and as long as they don't preach hatred towards the liberals favourite victim groups like women, gays and travellers they have no problem with this bile hatred .

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    Dangerous line been drawn in the sand. What's next? We don't see reports on You tube about a stray American rocket killing some innocent kids in some far flung region because You tube have decided it's not right. Who appoints the moral guardians. For the record Al-Qaeda sicken me.

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