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    Default Irish Winners of the Victoria Cross

    When you consider the size of this island it never fails to amaze me just how many recipients of the VC were Irish born...

    30 Irish VC recipients received awards in the Crimean war, 52 Irish VCs in the Indian Mutiny, 46 Irish VCs in numerous other British Empire campaigns between 1857 to 1914, 37 Irish VCs in the First World War and eight Irishmen received VC awards for valour in the Second World War. as of April 2008 the number of Irish born VC winners stands at 188.

    I was reading one account of the Royal Bengal Fusiliers who described his regiment as 1/8 English, 1/8 Scottish and 6/8s Irish and described the Irish soldiers as outrageously brave, full of wit, love a bit of "devilment" (will have to start using that word!) and first in for any sort of "merriment". Never short of a cheeky excuse no matter how difficult the question. which sounds about right (in a good way)
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    Hm. A figure of 188 is pretty stunning when you see there's only been about 1500 of them given out.
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    I read a book some time ago called 'Recollections of a rogue' by samuel chamberlain which was the basis for the cormac mcccarthy novel blood meridian.

    In it samuel states that the Irish were the best possible raw material for troops, but very, very difficult to control.

    He also mentions the san patricos - an irish battalion who crossed over during the american-mexican war to fight for the mexicans, they were all hung - i'd never heard of them, but they are apparently revered in mexico to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    When you consider the size of this island it never fails to amaze me just how many recipients of the VC were Irish born...

    30 Irish VC recipients received awards in the Crimean war, 52 Irish VCs in the Indian Mutiny, 46 Irish VCs in numerous other British Empire campaigns between 1857 to 1914, 37 Irish VCs in the First World War and eight Irishmen received VC awards for valour in the Second World War. as of April 2008 the number of Irish born VC winners stands at 188.

    I was reading one account of the Royal Bengal Fusiliers who described his regiment as 1/8 English, 1/8 Scottish and 6/8s Irish and described the Irish soldiers as outrageously brave, full of wit, love a bit of "devilment" (will have to start using that word!) and first in for any sort of "merriment". Never short of a cheeky excuse no matter how difficult the question. which sounds about right (in a good way)

    It wasn't all medals and glory for the Irishmen in the British army.

    Often the women they had relationships with, the "camp followers", lived in the direst squalor.

    Like the "curragh wrens" who lived in holes in the ground with their children near the Curragh barracks in Co. Kildare. The Curragh Wrens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    Hm. A figure of 188 is pretty stunning when you see there's only been about 1500 of them given out.
    The Irish where always very good at making Victoria cross.
    They really got under her skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    Hm. A figure of 188 is pretty stunning when you see there's only been about 1500 of them given out.
    some of the stories are an excellent read...they're almost like those old Victor & Warlord comics we read as kids...and the fact that they're real life makes it all the more fascinating...

    Irish Winners of the Victoria Cross: Amazon.co.uk: Richard Doherty, David Truesdale: Books
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    There was a bit of mopery from Belfast Unionist councillors with regard to Northern Irelands only WW2 VC winner

    When Magennis first won the VC, he was treated rather shabbily by the Unionist-dominated Belfast City Council because he was from a working class Roman Catholic family. Although the public collected £3,600 in appreciation of his heroism, the council refused to give him the freedom of the city. The only official recognition was a small photograph tucked away in the robing room of the council chamber.
    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Joseph_Magennis"]James Joseph Magennis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:James_Magennis_mral.JPG" class="image"><img alt="James Magennis mral.JPG" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/James_Magennis_mral.JPG/250px-James_Magennis_mral.JPG"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/0/04/James_Magennis_mral.JPG/250px-James_Magennis_mral.JPG[/ame]

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    Let's not forget William George Nicholas Manley of Dublin.

    Again and again, he showed tremendous courage under fire to tend to the injured as an army medic. He is still the only person in history to have won the Victoria Cross and the German Iron Cross.

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_George_Nicholas_Manley"]William George Nicholas Manley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Victoria_Cross_Medal_Ribbon_%26_Bar.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Victoria_Cross_Medal_Ribbon_%26_Bar.jpg"@@AMEPARAM @@commons/d/d2/Victoria_Cross_Medal_Ribbon_%26_Bar.jpg[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arracht View Post
    There was a bit of mopery from Belfast Unionist councillors with regard to Northern Irelands only WW2 VC winner
    Hardly mopery mate, but utter idiocy with a good helping of bigotry more the like....shameful...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero View Post
    Let's not forget William George Nicholas Manley of Dublin.

    Again and again, he showed tremendous courage under fire to tend to the injured as an army medic. He is still the only person in history to have won the Victoria Cross and the German Iron Cross.

    William George Nicholas Manley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    great story!
    What have British in Ireland contributed to Ireland? Nothing of the scale that the Irish have contributed to Britain. - Runswithwind.

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