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    Very hard to understand this decision of the Court of Criminal Appeal in view of this man's history. Alice in Wonderland stuff, really and truly.
    Are these judges living in cloud cuckooland ?

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    Soft sentences handed down all the time, this gets media attention because of who his brother is.

    People who live in working class areas know how justice works in this country, scum are returned on a daily basis to continue their rule, state sponsored.

    Do what you want in scumbag areas, step out of line and bother the rich, you will get stomped on.

    Nothing new here.

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    Maybe he cut a deal . Just a thought .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBird View Post
    Maybe he cut a deal . Just a thought .
    Indeed.....and not original thinking either let me say.....had occurred, etc.

    And if there's a whiff of that in scumbagland then a whole new scenario arises not least for the forces of L & O. What seems to bring finality in one area actually 'triggers' activity in another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBird View Post
    Maybe he cut a deal . Just a thought .
    as there is no transparency, we will never know

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    Presiding judge Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman, sitting with Mr Justice Eamon deValera and Mr Justice Brian McGovern, said that the sentencing judge clearly had regard to Meehan’s plea of guilty and that he had become “something of a poster boy” for drug counselling services through his work with other addicts.

    Mr Justice Hardiman said that a probation report demonstrated that Meehan had found gainful employment, had overcome his addiction and, through the forbearance of his partner, had come to live a stable life.
    So clear displays of rehabilitation shouldn't be taken into account?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    So clear displays of rehabilitation shouldn't be taken into account?
    If they are genuine then of course they should be.
    However, some of these statements prepared by defense lawyers are bigger works of fiction than "Gone with the Wind".
    "He has an offer of stable employment, your Honor"
    Is there ever any backup check carried out to see if they are genuine?
    I doubt it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBird View Post
    Maybe he cut a deal . Just a thought .
    Plea bargaining with the Judge etc, as people would understand them from the television, particularly in the US, are not allowed here. There is jurisprudence on the issue. The very most that can be done is that the Gardai giving evidence at sentencing, or the prosecution counsel, can indicate to the Judge that the person cooperated with Garda investigations to a greater or lesser extent. The only other way it can happen is if the DPP agree to proffer a lesser charge, say simple assault, rather than assault causing harm, if the individual has been particularly helpful to the Gardai. However, it is a matter for the DPP to so decide, and the Gardai have no decision making role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corelli View Post
    Plea bargaining with the Judge etc, as people would understand them from the television, particularly in the US, are not allowed here. There is jurisprudence on the issue. The very most that can be done is that the Gardai giving evidence at sentencing, or the prosecution counsel, can indicate to the Judge that the person cooperated with Garda investigations to a greater or lesser extent. The only other way it can happen is if the DPP agree to proffer a lesser charge, say simple assault, rather than assault causing harm, if the individual has been particularly helpful to the Gardai. However, it is a matter for the DPP to so decide, and the Gardai have no decision making role.

    Plea bargains in the U.S. are not made with judges either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyessus View Post
    Plea bargains in the U.S. are not made with judges either.
    From memory, the "deal" has to be indicated to the Judge and the Judge has some role in the matter, in terms of approval. That may differ from State to State.
    "......... we must sometimes listen to those who, consumed with zeal, have scant judgment or balance. To such ones the modern world is nothing but betrayal and ruin.........We feel bound to disagree with these prophets of doom who are forever forecasting calamity -- as though the world's end were imminent."

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