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    Throughout the 90's, one of Sinn Fein's major tools in garnering support in Dublin was its participation in the anti-drugs movement, Sinn Fein members were at the fore of the anti-drugs marches, in which drug dealers homes were targeted and picketed, on the back of this the IRA in the shadows took action against said drug dealers, were who exiled from communities, maimed even executed.
    On the back of this Sinn Fein and the Provisionals gained trust among working class communities which in turn led to them establishing an electoral base which still exists to this day although far less established.

    My question is, given that drug dealing and the madness attributed to it in its harming of communities is worse then ever, where are Sinn Fein in all this?
    Why is there no repeat of the 90's, in which working class areas were encouraged to rally against drugs and march on the houses of those that sold them, or the Provisional movement engaging in its own activities to take action against these hoodlums?

    What has changed now that Sinn Fein wont engage in anti-drug activism anymore?
    Is it that Sinn Fein has seen some kind of light through its abandoning of revolutionary politics and participation in constitutionalism, and has joined the likes of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael now looks down on anti-drugs activists?

    Is it that Sinn Fein has earned the respect of the British government, the 26-county establishment and that they are afraid of the scrutiny of breeching the terms on their ceasefire from engaging in such on-street militant activism.

    Has Sinn Fein abandoned the working class people be refusing to adknowledge the drug crisis in any meaningful way and not using any of its clout to help?

    Was all Sinn Fein and the Provisional movements bravado in the 90s just a ruse to build bridges electorally for future years in Dublin and other counties?
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    SF's policy towards drug dealing used to be a bullet in the head of the dealers.
    If you continue to elect idiots in elections, don't be surprised when the result is an idiotic government.

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    It now seems that Sinn Fein in both jurisdictions have decided with their respective electorate are now supporting the democratic and lawful route

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    Quote Originally Posted by turdsl View Post
    It now seems that Sinn Fein in both jurisdictions have decided with their respective electorate are now supporting the democratic and lawful route
    And it's to their credit. Any police service will have faults - but the Garda and PSNI are a damned sight better than kangaroo courts .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseyWhales View Post
    Throughout the 90's, one of Sinn Fein's major tools in garnering support in Dublin was its participation in the anti-drugs movement, Sinn Fein members were at the fore of the anti-drugs marches, in which drug dealers homes were targeted and picketed, on the back of this the IRA in the shadows took action against said drug dealers, were who exiled from communities, maimed even executed.
    On the back of this Sinn Fein and the Provisionals gained trust among working class communities which in turn led to them establishing an electoral base which still exists to this day although far less established.

    My question is, given that drug dealing and the madness attributed to it in its harming of communities is worse then ever, where are Sinn Fein in all this?
    Why is there no repeat of the 90's, in which working class areas were encouraged to rally against drugs and march on the houses of those that sold them, or the Provisional movement engaging in its own activities to take action against these hoodlums?

    What has changed now that Sinn Fein wont engage in anti-drug activism anymore?
    Is it that Sinn Fein has seen some kind of light through its abandoning of revolutionary politics and participation in constitutionalism, and has joined the likes of Fianna Fail and Fine Gael now looks down on anti-drugs activists?

    Is it that Sinn Fein has earned the respect of the British government, the 26-county establishment and that they are afraid of the scrutiny of breeching the terms on their ceasefire from engaging in such on-street militant activism.

    Has Sinn Fein abandoned the working class people be refusing to adknowledge the drug crisis in any meaningful way and not using any of its clout to help?

    Was all Sinn Fein and the Provisional movements bravado in the 90s just a ruse to build bridges electorally for future years in Dublin and other counties?
    The hilarious thing is that the provisionals themselves were only sticking a bit of lead behind the ear of the drug dealers so they could muscle in themselves on the space created by the dealers. http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...ighlight=drugs refers to this as I posted......Sinn Fein and IRA intertwined ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    SF's policy towards drug dealing used to be a bullet in the head of the dealers.
    The problem was that some sinn fein / ira members started getting

    FF Galway Racecourse tent freindly with the drug dealers

    and became part of the problem.
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    SF Justice spokeman Aengus O'Snodaigh is the only Justice spokesman of any party in the Dail coming up with realistic ideas on how to tackle drugs and social problems within communities. Why is this?? its because Aengus is from and still lives in a community that has problems with antisocial behavior, a lot of justice spokesmen and in particular judges are that far removed from normal society that they have no clue on how to tackle problems and are only adding to it and are completely out of touch with society and how these communities work.
    We need to be more ruthless with gangs in this country before we end up like Mexico where the gangs are more weapons than the police/army are running the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dentist View Post
    SF Justice spokeman Aengus O'Snodaigh is the only Justice spokesman of any party in the Dail coming up with realistic ideas on how to tackle drugs and social problems within communities. Why is this?? its because Aengus is from and still lives in a community that has problems with antisocial behavior, a lot of justice spokesmen and in particular judges are that far removed from normal society that they have no clue on how to tackle problems and are only adding to it and are completely out of touch with society and how these communities work.
    We need to be more ruthless with gangs in this country before we end up like Mexico where the gangs are more weapons than the police/army are running the show.
    He is also the only Justice spokesman with his own independent gang of enforcers

    SF man chief suspect in killing

    Jim Cusack

    THE chief suspect in the murder of a man in a Dublin pub last Sunday night is a well-known IRA man who doubles as a Sinn Fein election activist and has worked for TD Aengus O Snodaigh.

    Seven of O Snodaigh's other election workers were jailed for IRA membership last November and December after gardai thwarted an attempted lorry hijacking and uncovered an IRA spying ring aimed at Dail members.

    Detectives investigating the murder of Jim Curran were yesterday searching for the suspect who, local people say, disappeared from the area immediately after the killing.

    According to local people, the Sinn Fein activist is highly placed in the republican organisation and is close friends with Pearse McCauley, one of the men convicted of the manslaughter of Det Garda Jerry McCabe. Another close associate is former IRA prisoner Nessan Quinlivan who was extradited to Britain on explosives charges in the Nineties.

    Yesterday, detectives investigating the murder raided a house belonging to a SF election worker in their search for the chief suspect.

    Three people were arrested and released after questioning during the week and gardai are understood to have received a number of eye witness statements to the incident in which Mr Curran, 47, a father of one, was shot in the head at point blank range.

    Local people said Mr Curran had gone to the Green Lizard pub for a quiet drink. He had been involved in a dispute with an IRA man. A man in his mid-40s who had been drinking in the pub calmly walked up behind Mr Curran and shot him three times in full view of about 30 people. The man then walked out.

    Mr Curran had previously spoken out about the fact that local IRA figures were involved in taking "protection" money from well-known drug dealers in the south inner city. In return for these payments the IRA allow the dealers to continue with their evil business.

    Unlike the murder of Robert McCartney by the IRA in Belfast, a number of witnesses have come forward.

    Sunday Independent 10th April, 2005
    and even more good news on Aengus and his merry hooded men;

    THE Liberties in Dublin is like the Markets area of Belfast in more ways that one.

    Both areas have a tradition of street and market trading; both are close knit communities; both areas have populations that have endured economic hardship and have populations that are renowned for their enterprise and endurance.

    Both areas are also afflicted by crime and drugs - and both areas have local mafias who believe they can kill with impunity. In both areas, the local mafia is the IRA.

    The similarities are not only broad, they are particular. On Sunday, January 30, the IRA in the Markets area killed Robert McCartney, a father of two boys who happened to have incurred the wrath of the local IRA boss. The murder happened outside a packed pub.

    Last Sunday, the head of the IRA in the Liberties shot dead Jim Curran, a well-respected local man and father-of-one who was also unafraid of the IRA mafia. The murder also happened in a pub where the IRA in the area were drinking.

    The reason for Mr Curran's murder is unclear. However, it is known that the IRA boss - who doubles as a Sinn Fein election worker - hated the 42-year-old champion kickboxer.

    Neighbours said it is possible that Mr Curran had taunted the IRA men for taking money from heroin dealers.

    There was an incident in another pub in the area after Christmas, in which two IRA members were similarly taunted for openly taking cash from heroin dealers. Gardai are trying to establish if it was Mr Curran who taunted two IRA men, both of whom were former leading "anti-drugs" vigilantes in the south inner city.

    Whatever the reason, Jim Curran made the fatal mistake of going for a quiet drink in the Green Lizard pub last Sunday night, apparently oblivious to the fact that there was a small group of IRA men on the premises.

    According to local people, one of the IRA men left shortly after Curran entered the bar and returned about half an hour later. It is believed he went off to collect a gun and delivered it to the head of the IRA in the area, who had been drinking in the bar.

    The IRA boss then calmly got up out of his seat, walked up behind Jim Curran and shot him in the head. He then fired another two shots into his head as he lay slumped on the floor.

    The IRA man made no attempt to conceal his identity. He walked from the bar and went into hiding.

    As in the case of Robert McCartney's murder outside Magennis's bar in Belfast city centre, almost everyone in the Liberties knows what happened in the Green Lizard last Sunday night.

    Unlike Belfast, however, the people of the Liberties are prepared to speak. Although gardai will not confirm if they have witnesses at this stage, it is understood they have eye-witness evidence that could lead to an arrest and charge.

    Last Monday, gardai arrested an associate of the IRA man who was known to have been in the bar, but it is understood he told them he saw nothing. A female relative of the IRA man was also arrested. Both were later released without charge.

    Another suspected eye witness was arrested on Friday morning as gardai searched for the murder weapon, which has still to be found.

    The murder of a popular figure like Jim Curran has exposed what people in the Liberties say is a local IRA which has turned into a crime syndicate. They say the IRA men responsible are, like the members of the gang that killed Mr McCartney, "scum".

    One woman said that the weekend before Mr Curran was murdered, the local IRA boss had groped a girl in the Green Lizard and had then made an issue of offering an apology which he felt was not accepted properly.

    "He's filth," the woman said, adding that the IRA boss and his gang, including members of his immediate family, have terrorised the local community for a generation.

    "They're called the hammer gang, here," she said, a reference used by other community members, and which relates to the belief that the IRA man and his henchmen used hammers to attack victims.

    The IRA boss is loathed and feared in equal measure. Ten years ago he led a gang which attacked and savagely beat his own sister after her son was accused of dealing drugs. They beat the woman mercilessly, fracturing her ribs.

    He is also reputed to have tortured a young local woman - again accused of drug dealing - with a lighter. The woman and her partner were forced out of their home, which was subsequently handed over to another well-known IRA figure.

    The IRA man who shot Jim Curran is said to have become rich through providing "protection" for selected and well-known drug dealers.

    His nephew - the same man whose mother was beaten - is a one of the biggest drug dealers in the south inner city, and plies his trade with apparent impunity. The IRA in the Liberties has switched from anti-drugs activism to "protectors" of drug dealers, in the same way that the Provos in the North have changed from full-time terrorists to full-time gangsters.

    During the Eighties, south Dublin vigilantes terrorised local drug addicts and dealers, eventually killing a six-stone, HIV-infected addict, Josey Dwyer, in a drink-fuelled mob beating.

    Twelve men were arrested but after Dwyer's best friend and witness to the killing, Alan Byrne, was shot in the back, other witnesses backed off for fear of their lives.

    Byrne survived to testify but subsequently had to leave Dublin because of well-founded fears he would be murdered. Only three of the accused received jails sentences, one for manslaughter and two for violent disorder.

    Sinn Fein party leaders Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness visited the area after the killing of Dwyer and attended a meeting in a local community hall.

    http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=12319

    Why dont shame fein at least be honest and admit they have problems

    with a criminal element within their membership;

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinnShane View Post

    looks like it went down like a bomb.

    A bunch of once violent, now middle aged bores telling people what they can and cant take, great.

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