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    Given that in recent times Sinn Fein have officially endorsed Britain's militia in the North the PSNI, and now that numerous senior Sinn Fein members and leaders such has Gerry Kelly, Brian Arthurs and Bobby Storey have openly encouraged members of the nationalist community to join the PSNI, and for members of nationalist/republican communities to inform on the activities of anti-GFA republican organisations.

    Do run of the mill Sinn Fein members support the PSNI? and would you be willing to inform and report 'dissident' republican activity to this militia which while now under a different name is made up of the old structures of the RUC and is answerable and administered directly by the British government, and aided in its duties by the British Army and MI5?

    I would like to hear the average Sinn Fein members views on this.
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    interesting article in tribune this week, arthurs was quite adament nationalist shouldnt co operate with ruc/psni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoseyWhales View Post
    Given that in recent times Sinn Fein have officially endorsed Britain's militia in the North the PSNI, and now that numerous senior Sinn Fein members and leaders such has Gerry Kelly, Brian Arthurs and Bobby Storey have openly encouraged members of the nationalist community to join the PSNI, and for members of nationalist/republican communities to inform on the activities of anti-GFA republican organisations.

    Do run of the mill Sinn Fein members support the PSNI? and would you be willing to inform and report 'dissident' republican activity to this militia which while now under a different name is made up of the old structures of the RUC and is answerable and administered directly by the British government, and aided in its duties by the British Army and MI5?

    I would like to hear the average Sinn Fein members views on this.
    as kenny dalglish says could be, could no be

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    Quote Originally Posted by gweedore View Post
    as kenny dalglish says could be, could no be
    So you dont know if you would inform?
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    You don't have to inform to support the PSNI they are a necessary arm of the Govt. and are needed to control crime. In the 26 counties we just have to live with something similar do not forget that a lot of members in the border counties and the Park were very well looked after by Liz.

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    All quiet on the Western Front, which I knew would be the case, Shinners like to delude themselves that they never voted to officially endorse the crown forces, and that their leadership does not encourage touting, but when its put to them reality kicks in, and its better to remain in the bubble of delusion.
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    Provisional Sinn Féin fully support the armed wing of the British state in Ireland. Both the Guards and the RUC are cut from the same cloth as the RIC, a Brutal force which was pieced together to ensure British interests were met in Ireland, both forces continue to act as the RIC although in a more subtle manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsyDuffy LiamLynch View Post
    Provisional Sinn Féin fully support the armed wing of the British state in Ireland. Both the Guards and the RUC are cut from the same cloth as the RIC, a Brutal force which was pieced together to ensure British interests were met in Ireland, both forces continue to act as the RIC although in a more subtle manner.
    The RIC was not "a brutal force" by any means. It was in fact an excellent Police force, arguably one of best in the world during the time it was in existence. Well trained, well led, highly-disciplined and utterly impartial, it set the standard for policing in the rest of the UK and I'd venture throughout the world. Throughout it's existence Ireland was a uniquely peaceful and law-abiding country and it was said that "a woman could walk the full length and breadth of Ireland alone without fear of hindrance or molestation" Even Dan Breen, of all people, commented that the RIC were "as fine and decent a body of men as you would find in all Ireland".

    So, in short, you're talking b*ll*cks.

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    Page 144, Northern Ireland 1921 - 2001: Political Power and Social Classes, Bew et al.

    In particular, traditional hostility to the security forces abated noticeably. In 1963 one of the party’s Stormont senators described the RUC as ‘a fine body of men who are doing a good job’.23 By February 1968, when it was proposed at Stormont to grant a supplementary estimate of £29,000 for the B Specials the party leader, Eddie McAteer, agreed to the proposal without qualification.24

    (Senator Patrick O'Hare of the Nationalist Party )

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    Overall context is, of course, everything.

    The RUC's failure didn't come from their being bad men, but from their operating inside a rotten, corrupt system:

    To police a chronically divided society asks an awful lot from a good policeman. Having struggled through his exams and into his uniform, he plods forth with every intention of apprehending the wrongdoer and reassuring the virtuous. Can he ever achieve these admirable ends in the blighted, benighted, bomb-sited, blatherskited and relentlessly sound-bited community that is Northern Ireland?

    The answer, according to Chris Ryder's rigorously researched, well written and illuminating book, is: only if he's allowed to. And for most of its worrying existence the Royal Ulster Constabulary wasn't allowed to, since its political masters programmed it with a poisonous agenda of imperium, impropriety, impudicity and impercipience.
    The Fateful Split: Catholics and the Royal Ulster Constabulary by Chris Ryder - Reviews, Books - The Independent

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