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Thread: Sinn Féin more to the left than the 32csm?

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    Default Sinn Féin more to the left than the 32csm?

    This may not be the right section for this but it's seems pretty appropriate as both groups are more associated with and stronger in the North, and their main point of policy is for the 6 counties to be unified with the 26.

    This is a bizarre statement from the 32csm, who often claim to be of the left. Essentially they are telling a workers organisation to shut up in the interests of corporate profit maybe some ex-PDs, FGers or FFers will develop a soft spot for the 32csm after this?

    Even Sinn Féin want the corporation tax to be higher.



    Dublin 32 CSM tell David Begg General Secretary ICTU: "When you have nothing good to say then please be silent."

    At the recent Irish Taxation Institute debate chaired by journalist Olivia O’Leary in Kildare St, Dublin, economics professor Karl Whelan said “I don’t think anyone believes” Ireland is going to reach a target of a 3 per cent deficit by 2014.

    Also addressing the meeting were Mr David Begg General Secretary ICTU, Prof Whelan, William Slattery of State Street Ireland, and Feargal O’Rourke of PricewaterhouseCoopers.

    Mr O’Rourke and Prof Whelan said they agreed with the European Commissioner Olli Rehn that Ireland’s days as a low tax economy were gone. Mr Slattery said he thought there was an agenda in Europe to push Ireland towards higher taxes but the Government must retain the 12.5 per cent corporation tax rate.

    Mr David Begg accepted that Ireland was “under taxed” when compared with other countries. Many years ago he had wanted Ireland to adopt a Nordic model of high taxes and high quality public services; now Ireland was going to get high taxes for all the wrong reasons.

    The above comment from Mr. Begg shows just how out of touch he is with the working class and with what is needed to keep jobs in Ireland or to attract much needed inward investment.

    Recently, the EU Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs Olli Rehn sparked controversy when he answered a question about Ireland's low corporation tax rate by saying it was "a fact of life" that Ireland would no longer be a low-tax economy over the next 10 years.

    On the 18th October, 2010 when asked about the importance of the 12.5pc corporation tax rate in Hollister's decision to locate the new jobs in Ballina, management at the US multinational healthcare company said the 12.5pc rate on offer here was the key factor in deciding to expand its plant in Co Mayo.

    Mr. Crowe said: "It's very, very important. The tax rate allows us to re-invest in our facilities. If it weren't there, it would really open us up to looking globally at new sites to manufacture our products. Locations in Eastern Europe, India and the US also pitched for the new plant, but lost out to Ireland's tax incentive”.

    Our question to Mr. Begg is how he proposes to attract inward investment from such multi-national companies without the retention of Ireland's low corporation tax rate 12.5pc?

    The silence of our union leaders has to date being deafening but having said that maybe it is just as well if the way out of our current economic woes is people like David Begg supporting making a case for Ireland being under taxed.

    Silence is golden in this case



    Wicklow 32CSM

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    http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...out-touch.html

    I already started a thread on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SevenStars View Post
    http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...out-touch.html

    I already started a thread on that.
    Thanks for that, I didn't see it. I think it is more likely to trigger debate in this forum though? There are few 32s on this board it seems, I'd love to hear their take on it. Some socialists. About as politically coherent as a drunken Eoghan Harris.

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    I haven't got much time for Begg, but this attack is a bit bonkers coming from a supposed republican left organisation.


    Have they been so heavily infiltrated that even their press releases are screwy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerrygold View Post
    I haven't got much time for Begg, but this attack is a bit bonkers coming from a supposed republican left organisation.


    Have they been so heavily infiltrated that even their press releases are screwy?
    I don't think this has anything to do with infiltration, but rather piss poor organisation and the fact they will take in anyone as long as they want 'Brits out'. Their claims to be of the left are a little hollow if this is the view of their group in the capital. Embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Republican-Socialist View Post
    I don't think this has anything to do with infiltration, but rather piss poor organisation and the fact they will take in anyone as long as they want 'Brits out'. Their claims to be of the left are a little hollow if this is the view of their group in the capital. Embarrassing.
    My tongue was firmly in my cheek.

    Yes, it is embarrassing.

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    Their claims to be of the left are a little hollow if this is the view of their group in the capital.
    To be fair, last I checked, wicklow was a different county.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissett View Post
    To be fair, last I checked, wicklow was a different county.
    To be fair, I can read, so I realised their Wicklow blog was publicising the Dublin 32csm statement. I put in bold the top of the blog post in my OP.

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    If you keep going to the left is it possible that you might end up on the right ?

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    I know there are many members of the sovereignty movement that are far left in their politics, but I think its been established that 32CSM is not a political party and is dedicated entirely to the issue of national sovereignty, which I dont think is a bad thing as I find at times socialism and the pursuit of issues attributed to it can lead to distraction from big issue of National liberation, if you look back through history, republican groups influenced by socialism have morphed into constitutional reformists.
    It is not those who can inflict the most but those who can endure the most who will conquer.

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