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    Listening to the various pundits, it is too easy to see Ireland being touted as an economy, not a society.

    Even as a capitalist, I can see that that is not beneficial to the country.
    This treatment of the country as purely an economy makes for an unhappy, angry populance which makes it more difficult to sell to them, making sellers unhappy and making the Gov't unhappy with lower VAT reciepts.

    Balance between economy and society is necessary but apparently the Irish don't do balance. As evinced by the building boom, etc.

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    This has been going on for years. It is always about the economy and never about society.

    Harney is one of the worst offenders imo, the woman has no concept of society and the importance of it being healthy.

    One could argue that we cannot have a healthy society without an underlying strong economy. I suppose this is true to some extent.

    The other side of the argument is that a strong economy is useless for many if our society is in bits.

    Generally, both are important and are not mutually exclusive. I think our focus is way off balance though in favour of economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myksav View Post
    Listening to the various pundits, it is too easy to see Ireland being touted as an economy, not a society.

    Even as a capitalist, I can see that that is not beneficial to the country.
    This treatment of the country as purely an economy makes for an unhappy, angry populance which makes it more difficult to sell to them, making sellers unhappy and making the Gov't unhappy with lower VAT reciepts.

    Balance between economy and society is necessary but apparently the Irish don't do balance. As evinced by the building boom, etc.

    The price of everything, the value of nothing.
    Strange that you should not realise that it is you, as a landowner, who is creating this situation. As long as their is private landed property, then this is a slave society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvotingMachine0197 View Post
    Generally, both are important and are not mutually exclusive. I think our focus is way off balance though in favour of economy.
    +1. The main parties have only one real target - return to economic growth of any kind, as if all good things will automatically follow. They have no genuine social goals i.e. the willingness to take steps to transform our society for the better.

    If you look at a recent Tasc report it shows that the proportional allocation of funding to various departments remained practically unchanged throughout the boom (aside from a rise in health spending) - indicating a government making almost no effort to prioritise or effectively resource key areas. (As I said except for health - but then what benefits did that bring aside from pay increases?)

    Before I get attacked by a pack of libertarians I am not advocating big government spending as the key to societal progress. I share the view that if government tries to do too much it will fail. But I do not believe govt should retreat from all areas - it should target a small number of specific social goals pursue those to completion.

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    Both the economy and society are inherently linked. However, our economy is more important because without that we would not have a society to speak of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossy Heneberry View Post
    Both the economy and society are inherently linked. However, our economy is more important because without that we would not have a society to speak of.

    And would there be an economy if there was no society? Which is more important, a spade or the man who uses it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by farnaby View Post

    Before I get attacked by a pack of libertarians I am not advocating big government spending as the key to societal progress. I share the view that if government tries to do too much it will fail. But I do not believe govt should retreat from all areas - it should target a small number of specific social goals pursue those to completion.

    What libertarians are saying is that the people have no democratic right to create the world they live in, but must accept a world created by the greed for profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    What libertarians are saying is that the people have no democratic right to create the world they live in, but must accept a world created by the greed for profit.
    No, what Libertarians are saying is that people have a right to create a world in which to live in, without interference from politicians, vested interest groups and socialists trying to mould and shape us into their desired product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossy Heneberry View Post
    No, what Libertarians are saying is that people have a right to create a world in which to live in, without interference from politicians, vested interest groups and socialists trying to mould and shape us into their desired product.
    No, really they are not. They are saying that the likes of Bill Gates and Ronald MacDonald have the right to create the whole world in their own image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    No, really they are not. They are saying that the likes of Bill Gates and Ronald MacDonald have the right to create the whole world in their own image.
    No one forces anyone to buy a PC or McDonalds. Unless of course, the people who you would like to see in charge, were coercing us to do otherwise.
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