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    The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionaires | Comment is free | The Guardian


    An Astroturf campaign is a fake grassroots movement: it purports to be a spontaneous uprising of concerned citizens, but in reality it is founded and funded by elite interests.
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    While I do agree that the Tea Party is devoid of any new ideas or policies, merely calling it an astroturf campaign is not sufficient. Yes, it is clearly sponsored by wealthy executives who fund the Tea Parties out of profit pursuing self interest, but that does not invalidate the points they are trying to make. To combat their idiocy, you need to look beyond the sponsors and actually attack their fundamental values and ideas. It's not terribly difficult, as they just recycle GOP platform from the Reagan years, with extra fundamentalism added in, but actually addressing their concerns will be far more effective and meaningful.

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    And yet they will have changed the makeup of Congress. No small achievement.

    Still to this day, most donít get the abstraction of Tea Party. For most, it is merely the rallying point against the fiscal irresponsibility of President Obamaís administration. And the more we are called loons, the harder we fight. So thank you all, because you have helped us to take the House and hopefully the Senate from this lousy Congress.

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    That's why im a member of the pirate party,and not the tea party. I also don't like how the tea party is very xenophobic,and extremely nationalist. The Pirate Party has an international convention each year,where all the parties in the movement meet and discuss things from their nations.

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    For most, it is merely the rallying point against the fiscal irresponsibility of President Obama’s administration.
    None of whom were the slightest bit bothered about the utter fiscal irresponsbility of the Bush administration which created the problem in the first place.

    Funny, that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanclub View Post
    None of whom were the slightest bit bothered about the utter fiscal irresponsbility of the Bush administration which created the problem in the first place.

    Funny, that.

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    It started for many of us during the Bush administration when we felt he was allowing Congress to add massive spending measures into the budgets without much of a fight. Some felt he was placating to the Democrats in order to get their support for the war on terror. But when he initiated the Troubled Asset Relief Program to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions, the revolt really started.

    By hey, why believe anything from the horsesí mouth when wacky theories are available... right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaxHavenSite View Post
    That's why im a member of the pirate party,and not the tea party. I also don't like how the tea party is very xenophobic,and extremely nationalist. The Pirate Party has an international convention each year,where all the parties in the movement meet and discuss things from their nations.
    Ahoy!, be your party gettin' much accomplished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goober View Post
    Ahoy!, be your party gettin' much accomplished?
    Im the first person in Louisiana to register as a member of the Pirate Party,im going to start a website for it,and etc. It will be a recognized party in the next elections,but I need 1,000 members and pay 1,000usd for it to be registered. I signed up last friday.

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    The Anti-Tea party people are void of historical or economic knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goban Saor View Post
    The Anti-Tea party people are void of historical or economic knowledge.
    That's a mighty big generalization.
    Funny you should say that, though. The cherished Tea Party belief that the U.S Constitution was written to protect American freedoms and limit the power of the central government? The Constitution actually strengthened the power of the central government, and came about because federalists believed the Articles of Confederation were too weak on a national level. The Founding Fathers thought too much power had been devolved down to state level. And the worship of the Founding Fathers? John Adams signed into law the Alien and Sedition Act, a law that essentially made immigration much more difficult and potentially dangerous (his opponents' party always won the immigrant vote) and banned written dissent against the government.
    Those are some of the core doctrines of the Tea Party, I'm not even going to address their fringe views.
    Supposedly the Tea Party calls for limited government. I'm fine with that. But quite frankly, the Tea Party is an authoritarian movement. The University of Washington did some research of the views of Tea Party members, viewable here: WISER :: Multi-state survey of Race & Politics
    What I thought was most salient was that over half of Tea Party members support indefinite detention against the Writ of Habeus Corpus, and that two thirds support warrantless wiretapping and racial or religious profiling. How can you call for a limited government that has the right to listen in to your conversations with no justification? Are they saying the right should be devolved to the states?
    If the Tea Party had stuck with its roots in financial protest, they would have kept their principles. However, the Tea Party has transformed into a traditional, social conservative "Guns and God" movement that has little actual relation to the original. That being said, the original had its problems too. I was utterly confused by their complete lack of protest against the military budget, given that it is around $1,000,000,000,000 a year (730,500,000,000 euros) and the largest single portion of the U.S. budget.

    But, by all means, characterize people who disagree with the Tea Party as ignorant of history and economics. There's no room for facts in American political discourse.

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