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    Being an American who is worried about the Socialist takeover of healthcare, I watched this video, and read the accompanying article with both fear and trepidation as to what the future holds for the US.

    These healthcare workers in the video appear to be woefully trained.

    Nurse caught on CCTV turning off paralysed patient's life support machine

    Nurse caught on CCTV turning off paralysed patient's life support machine - Telegraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by ” Donnchadha View Post
    Being an American who is worried about the Socialist takeover of healthcare, I watched this video, and read the accompanying article with both fear and trepidation as to what the future holds for the US.

    These healthcare workers in the video appear to be woefully trained.




    Nurse caught on CCTV turning off paralysed patient's life support machine - Telegraph
    Would be more concerned...if I were you...with the need for (unqualified)agency staff to replace qualified ITU staff due to the current moritorium on recruitment...rather than some "socialist takeover of healthcare"...never mind the US..its here now!!!
    When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity.

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    We don't seem to have that problem in the Boston area. Nurses are well trained, and well compensated. But those days are waning quickly.

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    More to do with CCTV than Obama!!!
    When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity.

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    OP would like to see the wealth-for-health strategy continue in the US, whereby tens of millions of people have little or no health cover and even more are under-insured? Statistics I read recently suggest there are circa 200,000+ unnecessary deaths in America due to this problem every year. Should this be allowed to continue? Also America, although it is the number one spender on health, ranks 41/42nd in the world for infant mortality. Surely a more balanced health system, where possible, could improve the lives of huge numbers of Americans?

    And please stop with the hyperbole. Get back to us when the Senate ban private healthcare altogether before you label it a "socialist takeover". It's anything but IMO.

    If anything the video (shocking, yes!) shows why hospitals and health systems shouldn't rely on agency staff over qualified nurses/carers. Questions should be raised though as to how Ms Aylward, clearly under-qualified, got near a patient, especially one with as severe medical complications as Mr Merrett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ” Donnchadha View Post
    Being an American who is worried about the Socialist takeover of healthcare, I watched this video, and read the accompanying article with both fear and trepidation as to what the future holds for the US.

    These healthcare workers in the video appear to be woefully trained.




    Nurse caught on CCTV turning off paralysed patient's life support machine - Telegraph
    Heard about that, very sad case but I fail to see the connection between it and your fears of a "socialist takeover"?

    Is the nurse a socialist or something?

    Btw, there is no socialist takeover of healthcare in the US - sounds like a Tea Party "Topic of the Day" or a Faux News headline. Obama is trying to redress the imbalance in the system. Not going far enough of course.

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    Zoo fodder.

    "The incident is the subject of likely litigation so the PCT is restricted in what further it may say in public."
    Using a UK tragedy - which needs thoughtful comment in case of litigation - for cheap US Political point scoring in the Current affairs forum ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunkyBoogaloo View Post
    OP would like to see the wealth-for-health strategy continue in the US, whereby tens of millions of people have little or no health cover and even more are under-insured? Statistics I read recently suggest there are circa 200,000+ unnecessary deaths in America due to this problem every year. Should this be allowed to continue? Also America, although it is the number one spender on health, ranks 41/42nd in the world for infant mortality. Surely a more balanced health system, where possible, could improve the lives of huge numbers of Americans?

    And please stop with the hyperbole. Get back to us when the Senate ban private healthcare altogether before you label it a "socialist takeover". It's anything but IMO.

    If anything the video (shocking, yes!) shows why hospitals and health systems shouldn't rely on agency staff over qualified nurses/carers. Questions should be raised though as to how Ms Aylward, clearly under-qualified, got near a patient, especially one with as severe medical complications as Mr Merrett.
    You wouldn't by any chance happen to know how many of those "tens of millions" of people are illegal immigrants or how many have the option of health coverage but don't take it.

    A big problem here is that a lot of people have the option of health insurance but don't want to pay for it until they get sick and of course then suddenly they want it. The existing restrictions with regard to pre-existing conditions prevent a lot of this. This will all eventually go away under Obama care meaning that many will forego insurance until they are sick. You can see how the insurance companies might quickly go bankrupt.

    Additionally many illegal immigrants who don't pay anything either by way of taxes or medical insurance premiums can and do get sick. Who should pay for their healthcare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunkyBoogaloo View Post
    OP would like to see the wealth-for-health strategy continue in the US, whereby tens of millions of people have little or no health cover and even more are under-insured? Statistics I read recently suggest there are circa 200,000+ unnecessary deaths in America due to this problem every year. Should this be allowed to continue? Also America, although it is the number one spender on health, ranks 41/42nd in the world for infant mortality. Surely a more balanced health system, where possible, could improve the lives of huge numbers of Americans?

    And please stop with the hyperbole. Get back to us when the Senate ban private healthcare altogether before you label it a "socialist takeover". It's anything but IMO.

    If anything the video (shocking, yes!) shows why hospitals and health systems shouldn't rely on agency staff over qualified nurses/carers. Questions should be raised though as to how Ms Aylward, clearly under-qualified, got near a patient, especially one with as severe medical complications as Mr Merrett.
    Speaking of hyperbole, where did you you get your figures of 10's of millions without healthcare ? They are erroneous and an exaggeration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanla sighs View Post
    Heard about that, very sad case but I fail to see the connection between it and your fears of a "socialist takeover"?

    Is the nurse a socialist or something?

    Btw, there is no socialist takeover of healthcare in the US - sounds like a Tea Party "Topic of the Day" or a Faux News headline. Obama is trying to redress the imbalance in the system. Not going far enough of course.
    No but a system of socialized medicine and cost controls, controlled by large public Unions, will result is the usual mediocrity.

    The end game by the administration, is to price and control the private insurers out of the market, which will result in government control.

    The Government also forces hospitals to except low income patients, but does not want to adequately reimburse the healtcare providers.

    Smaller hospitals in Massachusetts are already suing the state. The facts are that the smaller local hospitals, have to provide care for those who are without, but the state refuses to adequately reimburse the small Hospitals, resulting in huge debt.

    Large corporations. that have traditionally provided healthcare for their employees, are now looking to discontinue those benefits.

    healthcare workers in the Us are highly educated, and well paid. But Government controls will drive down the higher salaries.

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