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    HSE to lose up to 6,000 jobs in massive budget cutbacks

    Am not posting this because of the main points in the article..but because of this quote..."The Greens will be insisting that education is protected in the cuts"

    Saw a clip of the TWIP earlier...the FF Minister (Andrews...I think??) said that the budgetary cuts would be detremental to Education.

    What will Gogarty say about this???
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    Quote Originally Posted by spidermom View Post
    HSE to lose up to 6,000 jobs in massive budget cutbacks

    Am not posting this because of the main points in the article..but because of this quote..."The Greens will be insisting that education is protected in the cuts"

    Saw a clip of the TWIP earlier...the FF Minister (Andrews...I think??) said that the budgetary cuts would be detremental to Education.

    What will Gogarty say about this???
    It couldn't be ruled out that the Greens could walk on this if FF try and hack the Education budget to bits. The GP have been using Education as their bottom line since the government was formed and they need something to convince people to vote for them next time out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    It couldn't be ruled out that the Greens could walk on this if FF try and hack the Education budget to bits. The GP have been using Education as their bottom line since the government was formed and they need something to convince people to vote for them next time out.
    My thoughts exactly!!......


    But then again we all remember this.....http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...tinuously.html
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    I have heard Paul Gogarty claim many times that the education cuts from Budget 2009 have been reversed. According to this article in the Irish Times Green Party leader and Minister for the Environment John Gormley made clear his party would oppose education cuts in 2010. “You can look at the renewed programme for Government and you can see there that there are priorities that have been put in place, for example education spending is extremely important,” he said.

    Well, I have news for Mssrs. Gormley, Gogarty and Sargent ... The education cuts have not been reversed. In fact, there were education cuts in the December 2009 budget, and there continue to be education cuts in 2010.

    The following list are just some of the cuts to Education over the last 12 months. There are many, many more.

    1. A massive €2 billion cut in the Capital Expenditure Programme in Education announced in July 2010.

    2. "Funding the University sector in Ireland" - The extent of the financial and operational crisis facing the university sector has been outlined in a stark letter sent to the seven presidents by Higher Education Authority (HEA) chief executive Tom Boland. He tells the colleges to brace themselves for an unprecedented range of cuts over the next year as the Government seeks to achieve €3 billion in overall exchequer savings. It is a bleak scenario.

    3. "30 disadvantaged schools to lose librarians" - June 2010, It has been announced that up to 30 of the country's most disadvantaged schools are to lose librarian services that were granted in an attempt to boost literacy levels. Tánaiste and Minister for Education Mary Coughlan has confirmed that the contracts of many of the librarians working on the scheme will not be renewed over the summer. €9m has been invested to open the libraries.

    4. "FF/Green Party announce 353 fewer SNA posts" - March 2010, Minister for Education Mary Coughlan has told the Dáil that 353 fewer special needs assistants will be sanctioned following completion of a review of special education.

    5. This document from UCD "Education policy choices in an economic downturn" outlines additional education cuts - Professor Sheelagh Drudy says. “The December 2009 budget extended the cuts in education. The 2008 October budget set out a programme of cuts in services which included an increase in class sizes in primary and post-primary schools, and a consequent loss of teaching posts, cuts in the allocations to teacher professional development, cuts in higher education funding and cutbacks on a range of schemes designed to support disadvantaged and marginalised pupils.” Commenting on impact of the 2009 budget cuts, Drudy noted that education cuts amounted to €134 million ...

    6. The National Association of VTOS Co-ordinators - The loss of the maintenance grant for VTOS students doing PLC courses, uneven though it was, will make progression for our graduates more difficult

    7. Further education cuts are outlined in the "Summary of 2010 Budget Measures".

    What have the Greens done about these cuts?

    Nothing.

    What will the Greens do about further cuts to Education in 2011?

    Nothing.

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    Link to another thread on education cuts and the Greens. The most interesting thing about this thread is the "comical Ali" attitude of the Green Party ... denying there have been any cuts to Education at all!!!!

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    Looking at Gogarty's latest tweets on Education just now:

    Didn't sit back last year (see PfG) and won't sit back this year either. Education will see cuts but not level touted or else....

    Every area needs to be cut. But it is imperative that Education PfG commitments are kept and that education performs comparatively well. NFC

    Now Programme for Government re Education:

    ◦Commitment to spending an additional €350 million per year on new service developments in education. ◦Increase the number of primary teachers by at least 4,000. This will enable us to reduce class sizes. The staffing schedule will be reduced from a general rule of at least one teacher for every 27 pupils in 2007/08, by one point a year, to one for every 24 children by 2010/11.
    ◦Commit to long-term funding for the 12 centres currently in the ABA pilot scheme.
    ◦Ensure that no rezoning of land for residential development can take place without a prior commitment of an appropriate proportion of land for schools.
    ◦Examine the provision of waste and water allowances to schools with charges becoming effective after these are exceeded.
    ◦Prioritise energy efficiency and eco-design in new school buildings
    ◦Ensure that schools help to make our children environmentally aware and include the Green Schools Programme as part of any Whole School Evaluation.
    ◦Expand the number of adult literacy training places by 4000, on top of the extra 3000 places being put in place in 2007.

    Credible ? mmm. Would they walk..no balls I suppose, all talk/tweet and no action ?
    Repeal the 8th

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