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Thread: thousands of Irish Army "deserters " were court-martialed in 1945.

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    Default thousands of Irish Army "deserters " were court-martialed in 1945.

    I found this on another forum. A new book details the treatment of those who left the Irish Army to go and fight in WW2.
    Their treatment by the Government of the day was called:-
    Fine Gael deputy leader, Dr. Thomas F. O’Higgins, described the Government’s action as “brutal, unchristian and inhuman, stimulated by malice, seething with hatred, and oozing with venom”.
    The reason he said this was because the legislation was framed so that deserters who stayed at home were let off - ignored - while those who joined the Allied armies were court-martialed.
    The book also details how an Irish Naval captain took an Irish ship, which he'd had out on sea trials, to Dunkirk to help with the evacuation.... in secret of course.
    A review of the book here:-
    Heroism and betrayal

    Any of the old salts who post here heard of this ship story ? Or has anyone known anyone who was court-martialed ?

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    what would you expect of a man who signed the book of condolences for hitler long after belsen and dachau had been exposed

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    An Irish soldier who deserted and joined a foreign army should have been shot. The British hanged British soldiers and facists who fought for Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ne0ica View Post
    An Irish soldier who deserted and joined a foreign army should have been shot. The British hanged British soldiers and facists who fought for Hitler.
    So basically you're angry about the British killing fascists, and you wish there'd been a United Ireland under Nazi Germany. I wonder why?

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    You take an oath when you join an army don't you?

    If you break that oath, you take the consequences, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ne0ica View Post
    An Irish soldier who deserted and joined a foreign army should have been shot. The British hanged British soldiers and facists who fought for Hitler.
    The nazis would have abused ireland much more then the british.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripey cat View Post
    You take an oath when you join an army don't you?

    If you break that oath, you take the consequences, no?
    The point is that there were two different reactions to oath breaking. One reaction for those who deserted but hung around, another for those who joined the fight against the Nazis.
    But then, double standards were always commonplace in the "slightly constitutional party " !

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripey cat View Post
    You take an oath when you join an army don't you? If you break that oath, you take the consequences, no?
    Some loon headed Spanish-American bitch, who totally shat his pants in Bolands Mill, was exiling Irishmen on account of their bravery, it's a disgrace, you're all in favour of it? They went to stop the whole archipelago being overrun with Nazi ******************************s and you think it was right to exile them?

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    I do sympathise with those soldiers who decided that going off to fight against the Nazi regime was a better choice than staying at home in the Irish army and doing nothing to fight Nazism. But they did desert, so technically they left themselves open to being court-marshalled. The authorities at the time probably saw Britain as 'the enemy' outside of the world war, but my sympathies would lie with those soldiers. It just doesn't sit well with me that a democratic country would court-martial soldiers who fought with another democratic country against an evil dictator.....which is what Hitler became
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    Incidentally, should De Valera have been court martialed in 1916 for failing to fire a single shot in the Easter Rising from his cosy garrison in Bolands Flour Mills.............and at a time when the real battle of the Rising was being fought at Mount Street Bridge when a handful of volunteers confronted the Sherwood Forresters as they arrived off the ferry to quell the Rebellion.

    Am I right in thinking Bolands Mills were only about 100 yards or so from the Volunteers Mt Street Bridge mini garrrison.

    Dev must have heard the shooting, the fight of the Rising, and yet he sat on his posterior throughout.

    Why should I be surprised ?

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