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    john moriarty
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    Default We don't need a civil service

    Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
    Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
    (As FG have recently suggested).

    Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john moriarty View Post
    Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
    Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
    (As FG have recently suggested).

    Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.
    A well run civil service is essential. Just give me one example of a functioning democracy that doesn't have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polcol2 View Post
    A well run civil service is essential. Just give me one example of a functioning democracy that doesn't have one.
    You know I can't.

    I'm suggesting a possible alternative.
    Why do we need one, when most all
    of its functions could be carried out
    by contractors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john moriarty View Post
    You know I can't.

    I'm suggesting a possible alternative.
    Why do we need one, when most all
    of its functions could be carried out
    by contractors.
    Pretty radical idea all right, probably a better way to look at is through best practice, some areas canned others enhanced. In the private sector the outsourcing argument is a similar one. The optimal fiscal position for most companies is a combination of in house (managed) and outsourced (production). The gov could force civil service to adopt the same model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john moriarty View Post
    Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
    Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
    (As FG have recently suggested).

    Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.
    i.e. another ************************************************ to defend CPSU clerks
    At least half of civil service is critical of state and must be preserved
    While another half is luxury and can be easily outsourced/closed

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    There'd need to be a rigorous
    form of superior oversight -one
    that puts society before the
    demands of shareholders; but
    there's surely no reason why
    the mechanical duties of the
    CS couldn't be tendered out.

    I'd start a parallel, private CS,
    & gradually leech function from
    the taxpayer crowd.

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    I can't imagine that the private sector would do it for free somehow.
    We might be able to outsource to bangalore!
    What about sensitive information? Imagine how many irish passports spies would have then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefly123 View Post
    I can't imagine that the private sector would do it for free somehow.
    We might be able to outsource to bangalore!
    What about sensitive information? Imagine how many irish passports spies would have then!
    Who said free? The current
    setup is far from free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john moriarty View Post
    Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
    Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
    (As FG have recently suggested).

    Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.
    Why even outsource?

    Not sure how it is in the south the number of hoops you have to jump through regarding your car in Northern Ireland is rediculous.

    In an age when we can manage every aspect of a holiday online with debit/credit cards why can we not do something similar with the civil service.

    File in the applications for whatever on online forms then if need be have a skeleton service to make sure there were no abuses/fraud and some for advice
    There is always hope when people are forced to listen to both sides.

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    Of course we need a civil service, what we dont need is --- all the politicans and their salaries and expenses and the top lair of Quangoes and friends of politicians at the top of the civil Service

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