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    This is the message from the HSE when they announce the downgrading or closure of local hospital services in regional towns across the country.

    Their logic is that in order to provide a 'center of excellence' there needs to be a critical mass of patients in the catchment area of a hospital to give surgeons and specialists sufficient numbers of cases to keep their skills fresh and sharp to avoid mistakes.

    Ok, that kinda makes sense, we don't want to have second class out of practice surgeons doing life or death surgeries on patients.

    Ennis hospital has been downgraded to the status of an outpatients clinic/geriatric hospice. The reason given was that it's too close to the 'centres of excellence' in galway and Limerick to merit it's own hospital.

    Why then has it just been announced that a new 140 bed private hospital will be built in Ennis by 2014?

    The proposed development includes 120 in-patient beds and a further 20 outpatient and daycare beds. It will provide a full range of medical and healthcare services including general surgery, urgent care, cardiology, radiation, oncology, cosmetic surgery, four operating theatres and endoscopy.
    Other services will include physiotherapy, laboratory, x-ray, radiology, MRI/PET scans, ECG, mammogram, renal dialysis, ultrasound, pharmacy and dental facilities.
    The building will include basement level parking for 212 cars, ten disabled parking bays, new access from Shanaway Road and an energy centre with a connecting service tunnel from the hospital basement.
    ‚60m private hospital plan
    Is anyone else getting ridiculously sick and tired of being constantly lied to??

    If Ennis is too small for a public hospital, how come it's big enough for a private hospital that is bigger than the public hospital they're trying to shut down?

    If services are being removed from ennis because there isn't a need for them, why were the health services secretly planning to open a private hospital in the town that conveniently provides the same services that have been stripped from the public hospital?
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    Get your planning objection in now.If supervalu can keep Dunnes and Tesco from building in major towns it shouldn't be to hard to stop a private hospital

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    it's already been practically granted permission. The council voted 28-3 in favour or rezoning the land for use as a hospital and the planners have already approved the proposals for development.

    This is a road that houses the richest and most influential people in Ennis, Including the town planner himself. If there was any hope of preventing this hospital at the planning stages, it would never have gotten this far,

    but none of this is relevant to my main point,

    How can the HSE be saying that there is no requirement for hospital services outside of the 'centers of excellence' while at the same time encouraging private interests to set up private hospitals to fill the vacuum of the vacating public health service.
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    Mary Harney and her gimp lobbyist husband are proponents of private healthcare. The fact that an independant TD with such views is allowed to hold such a high level portfolio would raise a few questions

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    How do you think it's being encouraged? If people want to build a private hospital they can. If they want to build a spar they can. What a private organisation does has no baring on a national strategy.

    I haven't heard the HSE said there's no requirement. If you ask any village in the country they'll tell you they want a hospital. That doesn't mean you base your national strategy on health around the out of date idea that you have a million little hospitals in each county. It's not cost effective and its not appropriate.
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    I would prefer to have a hospital in every town, than a council.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPB View Post
    I would prefer to have a hospital in every town, than a council.
    Donegal has 85 elected representatives ,we have a population of 147,000
    I'm assuming down the country is worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    How do you think it's being encouraged? If people want to build a private hospital they can.
    No, they can only build a private hospital if they have zoning and investors. The zoning is granted politically, this requires a political strategy. The investors need to be convinced that there is a suitable return on their investment (ie, a demand for the service)


    If they want to build a spar they can. What a private organisation does has no baring on a national strategy.
    It does contradict the declarations of the 'national strategy'.

    If the 'National strategy' is that hospital services need to be concentrated regionally because of lack of demand locally, then it makes a total joke of the 'national strategy' that the instant public hospital services are withdrawn from an area, private resources rush in to fill the gap. (and anecdotal information I have is that the plans for the private hospital were well underway as the services in Ennis General Hospital were being withdrawn. I don't have any evidence of this, but it seems like the state is making room for the private sector, not just in Ennis, but nationally. and given the political motivations and commercial connections of the minister for Health, it's hard to draw any other conclusion other than that the privatisation of healthcare was a fundamental part of Harney's strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    Donegal has 85 elected representatives ,we have a population of 147,000
    I'm assuming down the country is worse.
    Of course it is. We have far more than 85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sync View Post
    how do you think it's being encouraged? If people want to build a private hospital they can. If they want to build a spar they can. What a private organisation does has no baring on a national strategy.

    I haven't heard the hse said there's no requirement. If you ask any village in the country they'll tell you they want a hospital. That doesn't mean you base your national strategy on health around the out of date idea that you have a million little hospitals in each county. It's not cost effective and its not appropriate.
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