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    Default The Socialist Party/CWI's connections with the UVF.

    Militant Labour was one their incarnations....

    Bare this in mind when you go to the polling booth thinking of voting for Joe Higgins!

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    "Militant's position on Ireland is, if anything, more pro-imperialist
    than ever. Which other group on the left would have the front to
    argue, as leading members of Militant did at the founding conference
    of the YRE, that it could not be seen to call for troops out of
    Ireland for fear of disrupting their work among protestant youth in
    Scotland! Militant's Irish group is a perfect mirror of British
    partition, with the northern paper trimmed to the prejudices of
    loyalist workers and youth in their 'even-handed' condemnations of
    'sectarianism'. Most disgustingly, Militant has given 'socialist'
    credentials to Billy Hutchinson's PUP - the political arm of the UVF
    death squads. The equation of reactionary Loyalism with progressive
    nationalism - while simultaneously leaning towards the former - is a
    measure of Militant's relationship to the trade union bureaucracy in
    both Ireland and Britain, and ultimately to the British capitalist
    state.
    Similarly their support for objectively pro imperialist 'peace
    movements' and the Major-Reynolds proposals - they argue that it is
    they and not the imperialists who really want peace - capitulates to
    imperialism's ideological offensive, and fails to provide any genuine
    socialist alternative to republicanism."

    http://www.kmf.org/malecki/cockroach/cr0036-3.txt

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    This is plain silly I'm afraid.

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    One of them told me that they do not have an article in Irish in their monthly paper like SF do in their weekly because it came up as being a problem to some northern SP members. I would say f*** them. Irish is not an exclusive language to SF (I am surprised that I have to say this when talking about or to unionists) and the SP would be showing this by having one. Joe Higgins is a native Irish speaker. I understand in the circumstances that some northern SP members would complain but I thought the SP were all about creating good circumstances for diversity and socialism to grow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garibaldy View Post
    This is plain silly I'm afraid.
    The CWI engage in a public debate will Billy Hutchinson and SS goes off on a rant about the CWI being associated with the UVF.

    SS it might be more in your line to explain why you praise a party, the Communist Party of Ireland (ML) who were cheerleaders for the UWC strike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren J. Prior View Post
    One of them told me that they do not have an article in Irish in their monthly paper like SF do in their weekly because it came up as being a problem to some northern SP members. I would say f*** them. Irish is not an exclusive language to SF (I am surprised that I have to say this when talking about or to unionists) and the SP would be showing this by having one. Joe Higgins is a native Irish speaker. I understand in the circumstances that some northern SP members would complain but I thought the SP were all about creating good circumstances for diversity and socialism to grow?
    More bullish*t - the Socialist Party regularly issues press statements in Irish. Joe Higgins regularly speaks in Irish in the EU parliament and carries Irish articles on his website. And no - there has never been a complaint from a member of the Socialist Party in the North about using Irish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    The CWI engage in a public debate will Billy Hutchinson and SS goes off on a rant about the CWI being associated with the UVF.

    SS it might be more in your line to explain why you praise a party, the Communist Party of Ireland (ML) who were cheerleaders for the UWC strike.
    I really dont want to get into this debate, but Id like to ask one question. The SP put out a statement condemning RSF for attending a conference in Italy on anti-imperialism, that was also attended by certain people with far right connections. Given that the SP is willing to meet with sectarian gangs, and attend the European Parliament along with far right politicians, what was the point in condemning RSF? Was that not hypocracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    I really dont want to get into this debate, but Id like to ask one question. The SP put out a statement condemning RSF for attending a conference in Italy on anti-imperialism, that was also attended by certain people with far right connections. Given that the SP is willing to meet with sectarian gangs, and attend the European Parliament along with far right politicians, what was the point in condemning RSF? Was that not hypocracy?
    It is indeed Cael. And the worst thing about Hutchinson is that this double sectarian murdered remained totally unapologetic about these murders, yet the SP presented him as some sort of representative of the protestant working class. At the same time as meeting with such sectarian scumbags, the SP have the temerity to lambast republicans in their paper for protesting a Royal Irish Regiment march in Ireland! Yes, you heard it hear first, it's ok to pander to the PUP/UVF including sectarian killers, but protesting against an imperialist army carrying out atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan and which continues to occupy Ireland is 'sectarian'. Their branch in Cork are some lot too, at a branch meeting before they toyed with the idea of approaching disaffected DUP members to join the SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    I really dont want to get into this debate, but Id like to ask one question. The SP put out a statement condemning RSF for attending a conference in Italy on anti-imperialism, that was also attended by certain people with far right connections. Given that the SP is willing to meet with sectarian gangs, and attend the European Parliament along with far right politicians, what was the point in condemning RSF? Was that not hypocracy?
    The Socialist Party engaged in public debate with a member of the PUP. During this debate the Socialist Party criticised the previous actions and politics of the UVF. The debate was not a cozy up to the PUP - it was a full frank and honest debate with the PUP and when it was over we went our separate ways. In exactly the same way Socialist Party representatives have debated in the past with individuals from a republican paramilitary background.

    I have addressed the issue of the Socialist Party's participation in the European parliament before - your assertion is nonsense.

    The Socialist Party has never shared a platform with a fascist nor has it ever participated in a political event with a fascist organisation.

    Finally, a leading member of RSF willingly participated in a conference with Fascists in Italy and was rightly criticised for doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Republican-Socialist View Post
    It is indeed Cael. And the worst thing about Hutchinson is that this double sectarian murdered remained totally unapologetic about these murders, yet the SP presented him as some sort of representative of the protestant working class. At the same time as meeting with such sectarian scumbags, the SP have the temerity to lambast republicans in their paper for protesting a Royal Irish Regiment march in Ireland! Yes, you heard it hear first, it's ok to pander to the PUP/UVF including sectarian killers, but protesting against an imperialist army carrying out atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan and which continues to occupy Ireland is 'sectarian'. Their branch in Cork are some lot too, at a branch meeting before they toyed with the idea of approaching disaffected DUP members to join the SP.
    I am glad you know the inner workings of our branch meetings here in cork, do you regularly attend?

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