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    Does anyone know how much would be saved if service in 2011 were ignored when calculating Public Service increments?

    No one would take a pay cut in 2011; salaries would remain at 2010 levels and increments would resume again in 2012. However the 2011 increment would not be backdated so the 2011 saving would carry forward into future years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgl View Post
    Does anyone know how much would be saved if service in 2011 were ignored when calculating Public Service increments?

    No one would take a pay cut in 2011; salaries would remain at 2010 levels and increments would resume again in 2012. However the 2011 increment would not be backdated so the 2011 saving would carry forward into future years.
    This probably would be regarded as a paycut by those at the lower end of the scales whereas the higher earners at the top of the scales with no further increments due would be untouched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotus1 View Post
    This probably would be regarded as a paycut by those at the lower end of the scales whereas the higher earners at the top of the scales with no further increments due would be untouched.


    Very true...

    Would it not make more sense to introduce a maximum wage of around 70,000 throughout the public sector and at the same time bring in a new tax band of 80% on salaries exceeding 70,000 in the private sector.

    This would raise much needed revenue and would not put people on low wages on the poverty line......There is another way forward and until it is explored I cannot take political waffle seriously..

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotus1 View Post
    This probably would be regarded as a paycut by those at the lower end of the scales whereas the higher earners at the top of the scales with no further increments due would be untouched.
    Some logic that! Being paid the same would be "regarded as a paycut".

    If we are trying to avoid "pain" it would seem to be at least a possibility.

    Apart from how it might be regarded, does anyone know the financial impact on govt spending?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogtrotter View Post
    Very true...

    Would it not make more sense to introduce a maximum wage of around 70,000 throughout the public sector and at the same time bring in a new tax band of 80% on salaries exceeding 70,000 in the private sector.

    This would raise much needed revenue and would not put people on low wages on the poverty line......There is another way forward and until it is explored I cannot take political waffle seriously..
    Who mentioned putting anyone "on the poverty line"? With inflation close to nil this suggestion just might work.

    "Increments" don't happen in most of the private sector. A wage freeze is a wage freeze for most non public servants...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogtrotter View Post
    Very true...

    Would it not make more sense to introduce a maximum wage of around 70,000 throughout the public sector and at the same time bring in a new tax band of 80% on salaries exceeding 70,000 in the private sector.

    This would raise much needed revenue and would not put people on low wages on the poverty line......There is another way forward and until it is explored I cannot take political waffle seriously..
    oops.... some Principal Officers and higher would be a bit miffed by that figure bogtrotter. But then again, who cares? Many are facing an uncertain future as we speak, both private sector and public.

    I dunno. Don't think it would work, but I would like to see some cap, if even for a year, and then paid back when things get better.... oh yeahhhhhhpetunia

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    Why should someone get a pay rise each year based on just being there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    End increments is the only way forward.

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    I think they are in the employment contracts; the government wouldn't be able to suspend them unilaterally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgl View Post
    Some logic that! Being paid the same would be "regarded as a paycut".

    If we are trying to avoid "pain" it would seem to be at least a possibility.

    Apart from how it might be regarded, does anyone know the financial impact on govt spending?
    First point on Executive Officer scale circa 30k. Next point 32k . Max of scale circa 47k.
    Person on 30k paid 17k less than their colleague for doing exactly the same job. Person on 30k deprived of their increment of 2k. Person on 47k has received all their increments and not deprived !

    Using the same logic serving workers pay cut. PS pensions not.
    PS pensioners linked to a non existent pay rate !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogtrotter View Post
    Very true...

    Would it not make more sense to introduce a maximum wage of around 70,000 throughout the public sector and at the same time bring in a new tax band of 80% on salaries exceeding 70,000 in the private sector.

    This would raise much needed revenue and would not put people on low wages on the poverty line......There is another way forward and until it is explored I cannot take political waffle seriously..
    80% tax band? From people who object to any raising of taxes in the wider community? School Principals---some of the hardest working people in the PS--would not be too pleased.
    They might "take their wealth abroad", or they might feel that "begrudgers" were "penalising success". And all the other excuses we so often hear......

    We have a hard time recruiting Principals as it is...

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