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Thread: Referendum on Seanad abolition to be Budget shocker?

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    Default Referendum on Seanad abolition to be Budget shocker?

    The Budget is going to be €5billion of nothing but bad news all round and the government need to show that the political class is also willing to 'take the pain' and to take some of the attention off the worse measures in the Budget. They need a 'spectacular' to achieve this and minor percentage pay or expenses cuts just won't cut it. The government need a big wheeze to announce on budget day, and announcing a Referendum on the abolition of the Seanad more than fits the bill.

    The Seanad is costing certainly at least €12million or so a year all told. It has lost all public confidence with Ivor's antics and that of other Senators. It is a no brainer that the electorate will lap this up and get rid of it with about a 90% Yes vote. Just like announcing the decentralisation plan with smarties (civil servants) for every corner of the country took all the focus off that budget, announcing a Seanad abolition Referendum in the Spring would do the same for this budget.

    From the government's point of view this a no lose situation. After the by-elections on the same day as the Referendum the government's days are numbered. The Greens would not win any Seanad seat in the next Oireachtas and FF would lose at least 15 seats between Taoiseach's nominees and the fall in their vote on the panels as they will be down over 100 votes between Cllrs and lost TD's - that is nearly two quotas on some of the panels. Whereas both FG and Labour would win loads to seats to groom their candidates for the following election. It will also test FG and Labour in their commitment for 'political reform' as the greatest resistance to this move would come from those parties. They could do themselves real damage in the public eye despite Kenny's announcement after which he was rounded on by his own Senators. This is a no brainer for FF and the Greens.

    Watch this space.........................

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    It could backfire. Labour would presumably campaign against this referendum. I understand that they would be in favor of reforming the Seanad instead. They could use the referendum to set the labour party apart from civil war politics and announce that next time they are in government they will immediately hold a referendum on an establishing a more democratically elected Seanad. If they were successful in defeating the referendum it could place them in a very strong position for the, by then upcoming election. A strong labour vote would decimate FF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123 View Post
    If they were successful in defeating the referendum it could place them in a very strong position for the, by then upcoming election. .
    Do you seriously believe that a majority would vote to keep the Seanad?

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    Could be, who knows what the FF ******************************wits are thinking. No bad thing though, the Seanad is surplus to needs. While they're at it they can also cut the Dail by 50%, get rid of the government jets - or one of them at least. Slash their own pay, expenses and pensions - there's a 101 things they could do. Top down cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanla sighs View Post
    Could be, who knows what the FF ******************************wits are thinking. No bad thing though, the Seanad is surplus to needs. While they're at it they can also cut the Dail by 50%, get rid of the government jets - or one of them at least. Slash their own pay, expenses and pensions - there's a 101 things they could do. Top down cuts.
    Top down would have been the way to do it. But Cowen utterly failed to appreciate this in, e.g., following through on the "who wants to be a millionaire" hospital consultant contracts (all of them as it happened). It's been downhill on leading by example ever since.

    This clueless government has no credibility, and our plight will continue to fester for every second it remains in office.

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    Isn't abolishing the senate in the Fine Gael Manifesto? I'm liking FG more and more, although they're capital spending and transport policy is retarded.

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    There was nothing in the 4 year plan about the political system taking a hit although we all know the government has to do something or the public will not wear it. Clearly this is being held back for the budget. Therefore, I reckon that the likelihood of the announcement of a Referendum to abolish the Seanad to be run on the same day as the coming election is nearly a dead cert.

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    Anyone offering odds on this occuring today?

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    Would be a great move if it happened and FF has little to lose by it given they will have very few senate seats next time out.
    Last edited by Keith-M; 2nd January 2011 at 08:32 PM.
    Thank you for the six thousand likes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith-M View Post
    Would be a great move if it happened and FG has little to lose by it given they will have very few senate seats next time out.
    FF you mean surely?

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