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    In another abandonment of democratic principles by the bureaucrats in Brussels and their hangers-on in national-capitals, a majority on the European Council wants to forward Serbia's EU-membership application to the European Commission, and may use a ruse to get around a Dutch veto. In an appalling betrayal of the 8,000 victims of the Srebrenica Massacre and the thousands of Croatians massacred under the orders of Goran Hadzic, the member state govts want to remove the handover of Ratko Mladic and Goran Hadzic as preconditions for Serbian EU membership. This calls into question Europe's boasts as being (in the pompous boasts in the Lisbon text) 'an area of freedom and justice'. There can be no justice while states harbouring genocidal war-criminals are allowed to join the EU without delivering them to the International War Crimes Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia for trial. Would Germany be allowed into the EU ig it harboured Walter Rauf? The govt must oppose Serbian EU membership unless and until Mladic is handed over to the Hague:
    The Dutch Parliament decided on Wednesday (October 13th) that a debate on Serbia's EU bid should be postponed until the country shows full co-operation with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).
    The decision came ahead of a meeting of the 27-nation bloc's foreign ministers on October 25th, when the diplomats are scheduled to discuss whether Belgrade's membership application should be referred to the European Commission (EC) for its opinion.
    The Dutch parliament, however, said that the issue must be put on hold until chief ICTY prosecutor Serge Brammertz's next report on Serbia's co-operation with the UN tribunal, which he is due to submit in early December. If that demand is rejected by the other 26 foreign ministers, The Netherlands will reportedly insist that both the submission of Serbia's application and any other moves linked to its EU accession be made conditional on its full co-operation with The Hague-based court.
    Dutch lawmakers believe that Belgrade has been fulfilling its obligation to hand over indicted war criminals only under strong international pressure. They are pushing particularly for the arrest of former Bosnian Serb military commander Ratko Mladic, one of the remaining two fugitives still sought by UN prosecutors.
    The other EU member states believe, however, that Serbian authorities are making strong efforts to capture Mladic and former Croatian Serb political leader Goran Hadzic and should therefore be allowed to move forward on the path towards eventual membership.....
    Meanwhile, directors Neil Jordan and Jim Sheridan are among signaturies calling on Micheal Martin to block Serbian EU membership. The Dail is expected to vote on an EU Stabilisation and Association Agreement with Serbia in coming weeks. It is claimed that the member state govts may try a ruse to get around a Dutch veto by voting that the matter is a "technical" matter than a "political" one. If the former, QMV is used (55% of the member states including 65% of the EU's population), whereas if it is "political", it requires unanimity. The "technical" option has never before been invoked for EU Enlargement. A country harbouring 2 genocidists responsible for the world war-crimes seen in Europe since 1945 is surely the least worthy of such a concession.
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    Didn't NATO commit a lot of war crimes during that war as well? Why isn't Bill Clinton being tried?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaxHavenSite View Post
    Didn't NATO commit a lot of war crimes during that war as well? Why isn't Bill Clinton being tried?
    The casualties from the NATO bombings were miniscule compared to approximately 200,000 that died in the Bosnian war before then. The Serbs were committing genocide. That has already been established by the Hague. They rounded up 8,000 Muslim men and boys and butchered them. To let it go is to reward genocide and to render the oft-repeated line "never again" just another meaningless political-slogan. Bill Clinton waited 2 yrs to do anything. There were television pictures of emaciated concentration-camp victims in Omarska. The Genocide Convention allows military intervention to stop an ongoing genocide and the UNSC backed the action by allowing "all necessary means" to stop the Bosnian conflict.

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    approximately 200,000 that died in the Bosnian war
    Have you got a source for that? Most estimates I've read suggest the number of victims was about half that.

    To let it go is to reward genocide
    Do you only believe this in the case of Serbia? Croatia is also on course to join the EU. What about their war leaders?

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    Should the EU push through Serbia's membership using that technicality it'll be another long lasting fracture in European solidarity which is being seriously tested enough already. Scandalous...

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    I don't really follow you here. The way I read it, Serbia are saying "we haven't caught him yet" as opposed to "you can't have him". Wouldn't the constructive thing to do be to allow them to progress toward membership and offer them assistance to track down and capture these guys, making it a technical matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaxHavenSite View Post
    Didn't NATO commit a lot of war crimes during that war as well? Why isn't Bill Clinton being tried?
    I understand, your saying an innocent life killed has the same value, if
    its killed by the US or by Serbian death squads.

    But I'm with big nose on this one, not to accept Serbia without them
    giving up their war criminals first.

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    Beware the "Black Hand" of Serbia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acme View Post
    I understand, your saying an innocent life killed has the same value, if
    its killed by the US or by Serbian death squads.

    But I'm with big nose on this one, not to accept Serbia without them
    giving up their war criminals first.
    But why punish the whole people of Serbia over something two maniacs did over 10 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by typical View Post
    I don't really follow you here. The way I read it, Serbia are saying "we haven't caught him yet" as opposed to "you can't have him". Wouldn't the constructive thing to do be to allow them to progress toward membership and offer them assistance to track down and capture these guys, making it a technical matter?
    There has been an historical pattern of former state-perpetrators of genocide protecting the perpetrators. This also has to be seen in the context of widespread support for Mladic in national opinion polls (up to 65% oppose his handover). This is a society which has not fully come to terms with its past and embraced European values as reflected in the European Convention on Human Rights. Allowing them in is morally-equivalent to Holocaust-denial and rewarding obstruction of the ITFY Tribunal.
    But why punish the whole people of Serbia over something two maniacs did over 10 years ago?
    Sounds like the Nuremberg defence of "I was just following orders". There were 120,000 in the Bosnian-Serb army (in reality the Yugoslav Army controlled by Slobodan Milosevic). It's not like they acted alone. The ICJ has also ruled that Srebrenica was a genociede:
    Quote Originally Posted by ICJ
    The Court concludes that the acts committed at Srebrenica falling within Article II (a) and (b) of the Convention were committed with the specific intent to destroy in part the group of the Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina as such; and accordingly that these were acts of genocide, committed by members of the VRS in and around Srebrenica from about 13 July 1995.[20]
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