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Thread: We've non-EU nurses in Ireland yet Irish nursing graduates have to emigrate for work?

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    Default We've non-EU nurses in Ireland yet Irish nursing graduates have to emigrate for work?

    How come? It doesn't make any sense. I heard some senator mention it in the Seanad (FF if I'm not mistaken - pandering to the gallery no doubt) But I'd often thought about that before. The last time I had to go to A&E it was a nurse from the Philippines as far as I can recall who dealt with me. Of course there are Irish nurses in the system too. But can someone explain to me how Irish nursing graduates have to emigrate because they can't get work here...yet at the very same time non-EU nurses are employed here by the HSE and private hospitals? This simply doesn't make any sense especially at a time when the country is on its knees.

    This isn't a "let's send em all packing" thread. I 'm just trying to figure out the logic? Thanks.

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    I may well be wrong but I thought I heard on newstalk today, that of 16,000 nurses who qualified recently, not one has full-time employment with the HSE.
    Could that be correct?

    BTW those non-EU nurses are mostly hired on contract from recruitment agencies at exorbitant rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'orebel View Post
    I may well be wrong but I thought I heard on newstalk today, that of 16,000 nurses who qualified recently, not one has full-time employment with the HSE.
    Could that be correct?

    BTW those non-EU nurses are mostly hired on contract from recruitment agencies at exorbitant rates.
    Really? I didn't hear that. Scandalous if true. As for contracts they shouldn't be renewed when they expire. And no new contracts should be signed. How the hell is the country supposed to get out of the crap we're in when we've policies like this!

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    There is a worldwide shortage of nurses and specialist nurses. Rather than train up specialists from its own unemployed, the EU allows the medical industry to leech them from the third world.

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    Its a bit of a mystery allright. Especially when pay rates are considered - nurses (like everybody) are paid far less in Australia, for example.

    Could it have anything to do with the fact that young, female employees of the HSE, once made permanent, breed for ten years? Try getting the same social worker on the same case over a six month period.

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    No mystery to me. The motivations behind this are: - a race to the bottom in pay and conditions, and - the politicians' obsession with multiculturalism which is in decline in European politics. Write to Mary Harney to make your views known. This anti-national employment policy must cease. BTW vanla sighs the Senator is Dennis O'Donovan. Good on him. Expect the PC-brigade in the Dublin 4 media to castigate him in the morning knowing their determination to censor debate on immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Expect the PC-brigade in the Dublin 4 media to castigate him in the morning knowing their determination to censor debate on immigration.
    You're letting them do that by bringing race and culture into it. It is an emigration debate. We know how sore emigration is.

    This is an issue of the developed world stopping the developing world from doing so by leeching all their professionals. Emigration is even harder on the third world than it was here in the past because all we lost largely were shovel jockeys. They're haemorrhaging their entire professional class.

    This is an issue of the EU countries not making their resident industries train their citizens to do the required tasks at hand, but instead letting them draft them in from elsewhere while our unemployment grows. Even 6,000 unskilled permits have been issued so far this year.

    However so long as people like you keep banging on about immigrants, race and culture then you're a lost cause with the hypocrites in d4 and elsewhere because they'll paint you as a racist. Truth is that they themselves are racialists because they see the world in "races". They are so desperate themselves then to prove to the world that they are not like this, that they are not racist, that if you step on any of that "race" ground then they'll be all over you like a rash. However you don't even need to go on that ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    No mystery to me. The motivations behind this are: - a race to the bottom in pay and conditions, and - the politicians' obsession with multiculturalism which is in decline in European politics. Write to Mary Harney to make your views known. This anti-national employment policy must cease. BTW vanla sighs the Senator is Dennis O'Donovan. Good on him. Expect the PC-brigade in the Dublin 4 media to castigate him in the morning knowing their determination to censor debate on immigration.
    How's it goin' FT, long time. But surely the nurses from non-EU countries are on the same pay and conditions as any Irish or other EU nurse would be? Or am I mistaken?

    As for multiculturalsim, not too sure where I stand on it, as Ms.Merkel said: ist hast failed. I think it can work but only if those who come into any country actually integrate, if they don't and ghettoise themselves then it will fail and divisions will develop over time. I do believe in immigration control, always have. But that doesn't mean I'm anti-immigration, I'm not. A very big mistake was for the government to allow folks into Ireland back in 2004 without placing any quota system or any work permit system in place. Very, very big mistake and to be perfectly honest I think the vast majority of Irish people feel the same way. Not anti-immigration, controlled immigration - the policy the majority of existing EU States followed back in 2004. Another cockup by FF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanla sighs
    I do believe in immigration control, always have. But that doesn't mean I'm anti-immigration, I'm not. A very big mistake was for the government to allow folks into Ireland back in 2004 without placing any quota system or any work permit system in place. Very, very big mistake and to be perfectly honest I think the vast majority of Irish people feel the same way. Not anti-immigration, controlled immigration - the policy the majority of existing EU States followed back in 2004. Another cockup by FF.
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    Must be because nurses are overpaid in Ireland or some such nonsense.
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