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    Default Solicitors group dismayed at DPP stance on Fraud cases

    THE SOLICITORS Disciplinary Tribunal has said it is “extremely disappointed” that no action appeared to have been taken by the Director of Public Prosecutions in relation to three cases of suspected fraud referred to him by the President of the High Court at the tribunal’s request.

    “The papers furnished by the Law Society are usually prepared with the assistance of forensic accountants and particularise in detail, with the appropriate back-up documents, the allegations of fraud. One would have thought it would be relatively easy for the Director of Public Prosecutions and/or the Garda Síochána to take the matter from there,” he said, adding that nothing appeared to have happened

    Solicitors group dismayed at DPP stance on cases - The Irish Times - Tue, Oct 19, 2010


    Jeez even their own body thinks the evidence against them is damning!!!
    Solicitors appear to get away with murder (figuratively speaking)here why?

    How many have been caught recently defrauding their customers and being allowed to still practice.

    Any idea whats going on ?

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    The reason they don't get busted is because they're mates with FF TD's.

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    Perhaps when a precedent is set by one case, sooooooo many people in power in this country (and not just some of the politicians) will fall and the whole deck of cards will come crashing down.

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    In many respects Fianna Fail governments act as the Business Development function of the Bar and Law Society that generates revenue for the legal bodies, and help solicitors and barristers protect their own from sanction.

    What did the tribunals really achieve other than generate fee income for barristers and solicitors? I understand that there is now a panel of 64 law firms appointed to deal with NAMA cases. Where did public tendering come into this process even though it is the taxpayer who is funding the payment of legal fees?

    The AG and DPP are appointed by FF ministers - the same people who appointed Seanie to the board of the Docklands Authority. The current minister for justice is himself a solicitor and commented not so long ago about the revenue raising difficulties being faced by law firms now that the number of property transactions they handle has fallen.

    To see that 3 members of the legal profession have been deemed by the DPP not to have engaged in fraud is not one bit surprising. Do people really think that we live in a democracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyEdo View Post
    The reason they don't get busted is because they're mates with FF TD's.
    I would like to read further into this thread but there is no point, but you have nailed it. Under the current rules though the DPP has to give a reason why a prosecution is not persued, yes? Ironically though the injured and plaintiff party in most of these cases is the state, so FF will get the letter from the DPP explaining the decision not to press charges. At least getting the explanation from sender to reciever will only involve pushing the DPPs letter across the cabinet table, thus will save the taxpayer the cost of a stamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    Under the current rules though the DPP has to give a reason why a prosecution is not persued, yes? )
    I don't think so in fact I believe the opposite is the case. The DPP is precluded from explaining his decisions at all. There is some agitation to change it but it is being rightfully resisted. It would open a pandoras box of public interference in the judicial system with every decision of the dpp being second guessed by grieving relatives and victims groups.

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    Nothing new here



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    Quote Originally Posted by deiseguy View Post
    . It would open a pandoras box of public interference in the judicial system with every decision of the dpp being second guessed by grieving relatives and victims groups.
    You mean the people whom the judicial system was set up to serve would get to have some sort of say about it?
    That'd be terrible alright...we can't be having that.

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    Now that "Eternal Damnation" is for the birds; this society appears to be open ground for those without scruples. Fraud reigns supreme among all major establishment groupings. Guess whose dictates we will be in feudal bonding to for the rest of our lives! It's an uphill battle from now on, in this land of unfettered liberalism!

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    What a deeply stupid and unimaginative comment. Can you not even imagine having scruples without the fear of eternal damnation breathing down yer neck?

    Be truthful now. Remember: there'll be no butter in hell! http://www.politics.ie/fine-gael/139...ml#post3073028
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    The Garda Bureau of Fraud Investigation seem happy enough to watch the years go by, bathing in the glory of having apprehended such serious fraudsters as the alcoholic who rips off his employer's cheque book, and the low-level crook who obtains a couple of grand credit under false pretences.

    Búla bos, lads. You're doing your nation proud.

    As for the office of the DPP, it's meant to be a black box to the public. It's also meant to be fully accountable (yet independent from) the Minister for Justice, but when has Dermot Ahern ever voiced his disquiet at the level of non-prosecution of glaring, "caught red handed" cases of fraud, especially in his own profession of solicitor?
    (And especially when that fraud causes hikes in compulory professional indemnity insurance, sending solicitors out of jobs and closing practices?)

    As ever, it's hard to tell if the inaction comes from general lethargy or an unspoken consensus in Official Ireland that white collar crime is a dangerous concept, and should be left unexplored, even if it means letting odious knackers like Michael Lynn walk free.

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