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    Default Cheap bootleg cigarettes taking over the market

    Heard a representative of retailers on Damien Kilberd's Newstalk show on Monday complaining about the big loss of trade to bootleg cigarettes.In recent years,many criminal gangs have switched their attention from drugs to cigarettes. They are attracted by the huge profits in bootleg cigarettes. Risks of imprisonment,court fines and gang violence are minimal.

    The marketing method is simple but very effective. Leaflets offering cigarettes at half price or less of prices in shops are dropped through letter boxes, orders can be placed by ringing a mobile phone and home delivery is done by the bootlegger*.

    The retail trade rep claimed that the government has lost a quarter of the market worth hundreds of millions in cigarette taxes so far this year. Fines for small time bootleggers who deliver to customers are modest,although an amendment to the Finance Act last year permitted fines of up to €120,000.

    The Department of Finance is in denial about this threat to government revenues and court judges don't realise the importance of the threat. The price of official cigarettes is absurdly high in Ireland given abundant available supplies of bootleg cigarettes,some of which come from as far away as China with perfectly counterfeit packaging. The bootleggers will take half or more of the market unless official cigarette prices are cut drastically.

    *This is different from the method used for generations in high tax New York City to market bootleg cigarettes brought in from tobacco states in the US South. The bootlegger typically visited the reception area on an office floor to receive the collected carton size individual orders. Apparently,collecting these orders was considered a normal duty of a receptionist,but hostility to smoking may have changed attitudes in the past decade! The bootlegger returned later-maybe days later to make it difficult for the police to catch him-with a satchel of cigarette cartons and collected the payment from the receptionist. The mobile phone and emails have made the visit to take orders unnecessary.

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    Good.

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    With our punitive taxes , illegal cigarettes will be a massive industry . Another example of how our 'capitalist' government dosnt actually understand how 'capitalism' works , yet these 'einsteins' are going to save the country somehow !
    Bunch of jokers .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBird View Post
    With our punitive taxes , illegal cigarettes will be a massive industry . Another example of how our 'capitalist' government dosnt actually understand how 'capitalism' works , yet these 'einsteins' are going to save the country somehow !
    Bunch of jokers .
    Well, the taxes on cigarettes are mostly motivated by a small group of lunatics who want to save us from death. One of the best things I like about going abroad is lighting up in a pub - and I dont even generally smoke.

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    Cael,

    "......the taxes on cigarettes are mostly motivated by a small group of lunatics who want to save us from death," you allege.

    Not so.

    No one can save you from death. It is inevitable.....for all of us, including you and me.

    What this "small group of lunatics" are seeking to do is to deter you from smoking thereby preventing you from an early or pre-mature unpleasant death from cancer. A laudible concern.

    You say: "one of the best things I like about going abroad is lighting up in a pub - and I don't even generally smoke."

    Your holidays abroad must be pretty pathetic, unadventurous and deadly boring if this is the case.

    Do you ever give any thought to your smelly clothes, hair, and tobacco stains on your fingers such a filthy habit causes. Not to mention the passive smoking dangers to others in the pub including, possibly, children.

    Disgusting habit.

    Sir Walter Raleigh has a lot to answer for.

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    Cael, what about protecting workers rights? I used work in pubs and hated the smoky atmosphere.

    That aside, the high taxes on ciggies are causing an increase in criminality and after a certain point must start to be self defeating. They also penalise the law abiding. Bad all around.
    it’s the continuing series of small tragedies, that send a man to the, madhouse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Poynt View Post

    What this "small group of lunatics" are seeking to do is to deter you from smoking thereby preventing you from an early or pre-mature unpleasant death from cancer. A laudible concern.
    The most dangerous thing about cigarettes is the rubbish the manufacturers put into them. If you were really concerned for our health, you would ban those additives. Tobacco has been smoked for thousands of years, its one of the plaesures of life. Personally, Id rather die a painful death than spend a long life listening to the pseudo concern of these anti-death fanatics. The Last Men, as Nietzsche called them. And nor is it possible to say that death is ever premature. You are never too young to die.

    Give me a fine Cuban cigar, and a glass of Cuban rum, and Ill accept a few less hours:

    Last edited by Cael; 19th October 2010 at 03:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutuplaura View Post
    Cael, what about protecting workers rights?
    Protecting workers rights would be nationalising the land and vital industries and services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Poynt View Post
    Do you ever give any thought to your smelly clothes, hair, and tobacco stains on your fingers such a filthy habit causes. Not to mention the passive smoking dangers to others in the pub including, possibly, children.
    Do you burn oil Warren? Not to mention drive a motor vehicle? Presenting dangers to others on the pavement including, definitely, children. Why is the risk you take their lives, any different that the risk a smoker may take? I'd like to understand because I can't.

    As for the OP it's cheaper to buy duty paid kosher originals yourself from Spain than it is to pay the prices for the fake Chinese ones. Find people like Warren who are going and holiday and get them to bring you cigs home, lol only jokin Warren.

    Even the scams that are saving us money are costing us money if you take my meaning. We used to grow tobacco in this country, it was an industry. It can be grown to yield a large and fine harvest in Ireland (if we ever get the land back from the social security spongers on the CAP who say they can't make land pay)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Protecting workers rights would be nationalising the land and vital industries and services.

    A cop out.
    it’s the continuing series of small tragedies, that send a man to the, madhouse

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