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    Default Poll shows more Romanians believe life was better under stalinism than it is now

    According to a government commissioned poll conducted by the state body IICMER (the Institute for Investigating the Crimes of Communism and the Memory of Romanian Exile), 26% more Romanians believe life was better under Ceaucescu's rule than it is now, with a mere 7% saying that they suffered during the rule of his régime. In what will come as a surprise to some, most of those with positive feelings towards the old regime cited economic factors as the chief motivation for their feelings towards the old system.

    According to a recent poll conducted in Romania, a large majority of those who expressed an opinion stated that life was better when the Communist Party was in power than it is now under capitalism. Most people gave a favourable view about communism in principle, with over 60% saying that communism is 'a good idea'. The pollsters noted a significant increase in sympathy with communist ideas since a similar poll was carried out four years ago.

    Conducted in August and September this year by the Romanian polling organisation CSOP, the survey found that over 49% of respondents agreed that life was better under the late Communist leader Nicolae Ceauşescu, while only 23% think that life is better today. The remainder gave a neutral or 'don't know' answer.

    The reasons given by the participants for their positive evaluation of the communist period were mainly economic, with the availability of jobs cited by 62% and decent living conditions by 26%; the provision of housing for all was referred to by 19%.
    Romanians say communism was better than capitalism - 21st Century Socialism


    In its analysis of the poll results, IICMER noted that Romanians are far from alone in their generally positive evaluation of 20th Century communism. According to a survey carried out in several Central and East European countries in 2009 by the US-based Pew Research Center, the proportion of people in former socialist nations who take the view that life under capitalism is worse than it was during the period of communist power is as follows:

    Poland: 35%

    Czech Republic: 39%

    Slovakia: 42%

    Lithuania: 42%

    Russia: 45%

    Bulgaria: 62%

    Ukraine: 62%

    Hungary: 72%

    Particulary significant in the results of the 2010 CSOP / IICMER poll in Romania is that, as they aquire more experience of life under the 'market economy' people are becoming more negative about capitalism and positive about communism. In the previous poll in 2006, 53% expressed a favourable opinion about communism; the 2010 survey showed that 61% are favourable towards communism.

    The CSOP's survey findings are not altogether suprising in view of what has taken place since capitalism was reintroduced- increased poverty, the rise of unemployment and insecurity. Romania's health system is currently in crisis, and public sector workers have recently had their pay cut by 25%.

    Information on the poll: 1133 people aged 15 and over were interviewed between August 27 and September 2, 2010. Interviews were conducted based on a standardized questionnaire, face to face at home. Margin of error: 2.9%.
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    it's kind of weird to say romanians lived under "stalinism".

    during ceausescu's rule, romania went out of its way to demonstrate that it stood apart from the other communist countries in eastern europe. ceausescu always made a big public show of how he was an independent leader who didn't unquestioningly do whatever brezhnev et al told him to do.

    albania was the same under hoxha.

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    Obviously a 60-year-old would prefer to be 40 again, and is feeling a bit nostalgic. Are there any concrete figures regarding nutrition, healthcare, crime, infrastructure, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoichkov View Post
    it's kind of weird to say romanians lived under "stalinism".

    during ceausescu's rule, romania went out of its way to demonstrate that it stood apart from the other communist countries in eastern europe. ceausescu always made a big public show of how he was an independent leader who didn't unquestioningly do whatever brezhnev et al told him to do.

    albania was the same under hoxha.
    Sorry for any confusion: Stalinisim is a generic term used by some on the left to categorise the Eastern European states, as we don't consider them to have been socialist states yet they weren't capitalist either.
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    They were giant prisons.

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    These types of polls are biased from cognitive dissonance. People in their 80s here would argue that life was better under De Valera than it is today.

    Romania is a victim of Neo liberal shock doctrine no doubt, but at the end of the day the old regime was depised so much that the people had a revolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    Sorry for any confusion: Stalinisim is a generic term used by some on the left to categorise the Eastern European states, as we don't consider them to have been socialist states yet they weren't capitalist either.
    oh sure, the ceausescu system was not exactly a million miles away from actual stalinism, to put it mildly. i just thought it was strange labelling it as such when, for decades, the country itself made sure to stand outside the ussr's sphere of influence.

    ceausescu formed some kind of informal alliance with the chinese and the albanians at one stage, as a way of giving two fingers to the soviets.

    tito was another east european leader who distanced himself from moscow, though of course he was not nearly as murderous or insane as nicu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Towers View Post
    They were giant prisons.
    Main advantage of prison is that you don't have to think where you will get food tomorrow - it is problem of prisons administration.
    Plus it give some "socialists" opportunities to be prison officer will all privileges

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    Sorry for any confusion: Stalinisim is a generic term used by some on the left to categorise the Eastern European states, as we don't consider them to have been socialist states yet they weren't capitalist either.
    Do you have examples of real socialists states?

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    I think they polled the Romanians who are living in Ireland.

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