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    From the NY Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/wo...ning.html?_r=1

    Although there are no firm figures, security and political officials say hundreds of the well-disciplined fighters — many of whom have gained extensive knowledge about the American military — appear to have rejoined Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. Beyond that, officials say that even many of the Awakening fighters still on the Iraqi government payroll, possibly thousands of them, covertly aid the insurgency.

    The defections have been driven in part by frustration with the Shiite-led government, which Awakening members say is intent on destroying them, as well as by pressure from Al Qaeda. The exodus has accelerated since Iraq’s inconclusive parliamentary elections in March, which have left Sunnis uncertain of retaining what little political influence they have and which appear to have provided Al Qaeda new opportunities to lure back fighters.
    Those scenes on the aircraft carrier a few years ago seem light years away now. Can the US forces ever pull out of Iraq after the mess they made there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanmacc View Post
    From the NY Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/wo...ning.html?_r=1



    Those scenes on the aircraft carrier a few years ago seem light years away now. Can the US forces ever pull out of Iraq after the mess they made there?
    There is no way out for at least another 20 years. The only thing that is available to them is an acceptable level of violence. The Saudis and the Iranians will quite happily fight a proxy war all over western Iraq in an attempt to bleed each other dry without actually putting to many of their own boots on the ground. As long as oil price is important the yanks will be forced to stay there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanmacc View Post
    From the NY Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/wo...ning.html?_r=1



    Those scenes on the aircraft carrier a few years ago seem light years away now. Can the US forces ever pull out of Iraq after the mess they made there?
    Well Obama seems intent on getting out.

    While I think he will succeed as far as combat units go he will probably do a bit of U turn if things go down the tubes.

    I think retaining a couple of large bases away from urbanised areas and maintaining SF & air support over there to be used to back up the Central Power + loads of dosh to whoever supports Uncle Sam - will be the strategy picked.

    Total withdrawal just leaves the door open to AQ & Sunni militants v'd the Shia - which would for sure draw in Iran.

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    Setting a date for US withdrawal was a huge mistake by Obama - essentially he is doing the opposite of the 'surge' which ultimately created the peace.
    Every insurgency group will now gather their forces to fight for a peice of the Iraq cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post
    Setting a date for US withdrawal was a huge mistake by Obama - essentially he is doing the opposite of the 'surge' which ultimately created the peace.
    Every insurgency group will now gather their forces to fight for a peice of the Iraq cake.
    lol, gotta be the most delusional and incorrect post on here.

    some peace pal, gotta maintain the chaos

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post
    Setting a date for US withdrawal was a huge mistake by Obama - essentially he is doing the opposite of the 'surge' which ultimately created the peace.
    Every insurgency group will now gather their forces to fight for a peice of the Iraq cake.
    You think Iraq is at "peace"?

    The recruitment of the Awakening Council into the US orbat was only ever going to be a temporary fix.

    So it is proving.

    Invading Iraq was a huge blunder for the US and the Brits.

    It was,of course, also a deadly expedition for the scores of thousands of innocent Iraqis that have died in the maelstrom.

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    interesting article here:

    Iran brokers behind-the-scenes deal for pro-Tehran government in Iraq
    Exclusive Fears over Iran's influence after secret talks involving Syria, Hezbollah and the highest authorities in Shia Islam


    Iran brokers behind-the-scenes deal for pro-Tehran government in Iraq | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanmacc View Post
    Those scenes on the aircraft carrier a few years ago seem light years away now. Can the US forces ever pull out of Iraq after the mess they made there?
    Yes they could. If the different factions in Iraq want to go their own way, who is to realistically stop them? Iraq itself as a terrirtory was a creation of the British and Ottomans. Post Saddam, if unity cannot be agreed upon, who is to say it should be continued? I would also say that Iran in arming and funding violent militias is more to blame than the US for post Saddam instability.

    But it is fair to say that no group with political representation has actually called for active seperate independence, except the Kurds. Till now both Shia and Sunni extremist groups have been careful not to invoke the ultimate goal of defacto seperate independence.

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